Opinions (again) please :-)

[tempt8]

Ok two choices of 458 as follow:
1st car:
2011, 25k miles full dealer history, black, black manual comfort seats, carbon steering wheel with led’s, electric folding mirrors, sat nav, Bluetooth, parking sensors front and rear, pretty basic spec overall but absolutely immaculate car inside and out, clearly a well looked after car, drives great, will need a service in a few months time - £115k

2nd car:
2012, 51k miles with full history (all dealer bar one) black, cream leather quilted electric seats, carbon steering wheel with led’s, carbon driving zone, carbon dash inserts, sat nav, Bluetooth, parking sensors front and rear plus reversing camera, electric folding mirrors, bodywork could do with a detail, front bumper is stone chipped, just had a service at dealers, a used car but drives well - £100k

Which one sounds like a better value for money and possibly a better option to keep for around 3 years, use and get a decent return on? I’ll be doing around 1k miles a year.

Opinions please :-)

Edited by tempt8 on Tuesday 4th February 03:22

[davek_964]

I'd take the first one - I'm not a big fan of carbon, and having had cream leather before I never want it again. The lower mileage will make it much easier for you to sell in a few years too - plus it seems to need nothing, whereas you're already planning to spend on the other car to bring it up to scratch,

[dereksharpuk]

I am also am actually looking for a 458, preferable a Spider with a budget circa £150K. My criteria is sub 20,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. referable 2014 or later in grey, red, TDY or possible black. So would not bother with either off these.

However, example one in my opinion is the better of the two. Lower mileage.

Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 4th February 08:52

[Never you mind]

I'd skip these purely on the type of seats. Surely you need the carbon backed race seats in a 458?

[dereksharpuk]

Never you mind said:

I'd skip these purely on the type of seats. Surely you need the carbon backed race seats in a 458?

That is also one of my non essential but desirable criteria.

[davek_964]

Never you mind said:

I'd skip these purely on the type of seats. Surely you need the carbon backed race seats in a 458?

Why?

I don't have carbon backed race seats in my 650 - but they are by far the best seats I've ever had in any car I've owned.

[dereksharpuk]

davek_964 said:

Why?

I don't have carbon backed race seats in my 650 - but they are by far the best seats I've ever had in any car I've owned.

True, but they look great and suit the car. However, one has to ensure they fit your frame.... Moreover, you lose electric adjustment (not a bad thing) and cannot have seat heating...

[davek_964]

dereksharpuk said:

True, but they look great and suit the car. However, one has to ensure they fit your frame.... Moreover, you lose electric adjustment (not a bad thing) and cannot have seat heating...

I prefer to have both those things - different strokes I guess.

[PrancingHorses]

tempt8 said:

Ok two choices of 458 as follow:
1st car:
2011, 25k miles full dealer history, black, black manual comfort seats, carbon steering wheel with led’s, electric folding mirrors, sat nav, Bluetooth, parking sensors front and rear, pretty basic spec overall but absolutely immaculate car inside and out, clearly a well looked after car, drives great, will need a service in a few months time - £115k

2nd car:
2012, 51k miles with full history (all dealer bar one) black, cream leather quilted electric seats, carbon steering wheel with led’s, carbon driving zone, carbon dash inserts, sat nav, Bluetooth, parking sensors front and rear plus reversing camera, electric folding mirrors, bodywork could do with a detail, front bumper is stone chipped, just had a service at dealers, a used car but drives well - £100k

Which one sounds like a better value for money and possibly a better option to keep for around 3 years, use and get a decent return on? I’ll be doing around 1k miles a year.

Opinions please :-)

Edited by tempt8 on Tuesday 4th February 03:22

Need the links before I can provide an opinion! IMHO an advert presentation also speaks a thousand words!

Edited by PrancingHorses on Tuesday 4th February 13:31

[Gibbo205]

Hi there

Drive both and buy what drives best to you.

Also I've no idea how easy it is to thoroughly check cars but I've heard a lot of horror stories about clocking on several super cars, Ferrari seem prone and it was something that worried me so I'd always be a little aware of older cars with very low mileage. Check MOT history, check service records and get a full Ferrari inspection or specialist inspection because I am sure something will flag if a car has being clocked.

If first car checks out it seems better choice, there were minor updates over years but you should absolutely drive both also and maybe even drive a car out of your price range that seems spot on to get a good benchmark.

I drove a few cars and one drove clearly not quite right, whereas to the others I drove which happened to be Ferrari approve drove better, one was a 2010 and the other a 2014 which I now own.

[Chris355]

The first one. Mileage is a big factor. I don’t like the quilted seats in these assuming you are talking about the diamond quilted ones.

Ps. I massively prefer the carbon seats but they are rare and so have a bit of an impact on price. They are generally very sought after.

[Gibbo205]

Chris355 said:

The first one. Mileage is a big factor. I don’t like the quilted seats in these assuming you are talking about the diamond quilted ones.

Ps. I massively prefer the carbon seats but they are rare and so have a bit of an impact on price. They are generally very sought after.

Agreed buckets are a big factor on the 458 for the aesthetics and the fact they save a lot of weight, not sure on the exact numbers but I imagine a 458 with carbon buckets, forged wheels and no lift is no doubt a good circa 40-50kg lighter than say a full fat car with cast wheels, regular powered seats and lifter in the front.

[Taffy66]

Gibbo205 said:

Agreed buckets are a big factor on the 458 for the aesthetics and the fact they save a lot of weight, not sure on the exact numbers but I imagine a 458 with carbon buckets, forged wheels and no lift is no doubt a good circa 40-50kg lighter than say a full fat car with cast wheels, regular powered seats and lifter in the front.

When i was looking for a 458 in 2018 i only considered ones with the Carbon racing seats which are much rarer and at least £10k more money compared to other 458s with the comfort seats.Forged wheels are about £6k to buy new from a Ferrari dealer so both these 'must haves' make the 458 in my ideal spec at least £16k more expensive.

[Gibbo205]

Taffy66 said:

When i was looking for a 458 in 2018 i only considered ones with the Carbon racing seats which are much rarer and at least £10k more money compared to other 458s with the comfort seats.Forged wheels are about £6k to buy new from a Ferrari dealer so both these 'must haves' make the 458 in my ideal spec at least £16k more expensive.

I was exactly the same for me the car had to have:
- carbon buckets
- forged wheels
- carbon driver zone, carbon dash inserts, carbon paddles, carbon lower central section and also a proper roof lining.

I also ideally did not want front lift as the 458 does not require a lifter so it was preferred to not have one as it only adds weight and I've never had an issue with a steep incline or speed bump yet, 458's look low but actual ground clearance is quite substancial, whereas cars like a GT3 or Huracan a lifter is a must, on the 458 its not necessary and just adds weight.

As per your findings cars of such specification tend to carry a 15-20k premium over cars without at similar mileage.

[Taffy66]

Gibbo205 said:

I was exactly the same for me the car had to have:
- carbon buckets
- forged wheels
- carbon driver zone, carbon dash inserts, carbon paddles, carbon lower central section and also a proper roof lining.

I also ideally did not want front lift as the 458 does not require a lifter so it was preferred to not have one as it only adds weight and I've never had an issue with a steep incline or speed bump yet, 458's look low but actual ground clearance is quite substancial, whereas cars like a GT3 or Huracan a lifter is a must, on the 458 its not necessary and just adds weight.

As per your findings cars of such specification tend to carry a 15-20k premium over cars without at similar mileage.

Yep, i agree with you 100%..Mine has all the carbon and no lift as the 458 really doesn't need it IME..As it happens mine also has the costly Alcantara carpets which according to Dick Lovett is like hen's teeth on 458s.

[RT964]

dereksharpuk said:

I am also am actually looking for a 458, preferable a Spider with a budget circa £150K. My criteria is sub 20,000 miles with full Ferrari service history. referable 2014 or later in grey, red, TDY or possible black. So would not bother with either off these.

However, example one in my opinion is the better of the two. Lower mileage.

Edited by dereksharpuk on Tuesday 4th February 08:52

Have you driven a spider ? I have been looking at 458's and had the pleasure of test driving both a coupe and a spider on back to back days. Whilst the spider had the added benefit of dropping the rear window whilst the roof was up to allow more noise in, as soon as the roof was dropped, all of the driving composure of the car was lost on anything other than a glass-smooth road. On a normal B road, the scuttle shake and vibration was so bad I drove straight back to the dealer and walked away from the car. For me, this made the decision easy - I'm now only looking for the coupe !

[RT964]

Gibbo205 said:

Drive both and buy what drives best to you.

This is probably the best piece of advice - drive as many examples as you can and that will help guide your decision on what you want (and which options are a must have and which are just a nice to have).

[MDL111]

Don’t have a 458, but I do like the racing seats (I wouldn’t call them a bucket seat more like a sports seat) and they are quite nice and pretty. Having said that, even I find them a little uncomfortable on long drives and I dailies a 997 GT Clubsport - the ones in the FF are certainly more comfortable - I suspect some people might find the, really uncomfortable
With regards to carbon - I am not a fan of it, it does not save weight and the Aluminium paddles etc actually feel better imo (cool to the touch)

I don’t mind higher mileage cars, but the higher mileage one above looks mis-priced vs the lower one imo, I would want to pay probably c 10k less to swing the pendulum in its favour (assuming both are otherwise same condition)

I just paid 13k euros for exhaust back box and both manifolds on my car - so there are mileage related costs (although I had to replace the exhaust backbox for the second time within 2 years and 10k km, so am currently not happy with the dealer as I think it is in violation of German law - failure of the product within 2 years - different story though). Scuderia with 68k km on the clock, so not dissimilar to the higher mileage car

[Gibbo205]

RT964 said:

Have you driven a spider ? I have been looking at 458's and had the pleasure of test driving both a coupe and a spider on back to back days. Whilst the spider had the added benefit of dropping the rear window whilst the roof was up to allow more noise in, as soon as the roof was dropped, all of the driving composure of the car was lost on anything other than a glass-smooth road. On a normal B road, the scuttle shake and vibration was so bad I drove straight back to the dealer and walked away from the car. For me, this made the decision easy - I'm now only looking for the coupe !

Drive aside reason I wanted coupe above and beyond was because seeing that glorious engine through glass in the coupe whereas the Spider hides the masterpiece that is the engine and it’s proper engine with no plastic covers.

Noticed Spiders have really come down in price and noticing also that good spec low mileage 458 coupes are now more than 488’s.

[RT964]

Gibbo205 said:

Drive aside reason I wanted coupe above and beyond was because seeing that glorious engine through glass in the coupe whereas the Spider hides the masterpiece that is the engine and it’s proper engine with no plastic covers.

Noticed Spiders have really come down in price and noticing also that good spec low mileage 458 coupes are now more than 488’s.

Yes, there is also the fact that you can't see the glorious engine in a spider (unless you open the "bonnet"), and even then you can only see the back half of it !!