Thinking of selling my 993 911 and buying a 360 or 430
Discussion
Hello all.
My trusty old steed as just sailed through her MOT and after nearly eight years of ownership I'm thinking of selling my dear old 911. I've wavered before, but the loss of my father a few weeks ago brought it into sharp contrast life needs to be enjoyed and in as many ways as you can before it all becomes to late to.
I have a budget of around £60K .... that will give me the option of quite a few 360s but only a couple of 430s. I'm unsure if I want LHD or RHD as I'll probs use it abroad as much as I'd use it here ..... and after being a lifetime manual lover I'm warming to the whole F1 idea as especially so in LHD as a manual I find a pain when its to the right.
I'm not interested in mileage more history and receipts. This will be garaged but not a garage queen as I will use her (if I can) to the max of 6K miles per year as I do the 911 and I don't give a heck about depreciation. .
i'm one of those guys who would prefer a sound car that I can get up to scratch as I'm not a believer in the mantra that low miles equals a better car.
So as I have no idea what I should be looking for and which is the better drivers car, I thought I'd pop over here and ask what I need to ask and what I need to look out for.
Also anyone done this before and regretted selling their aircooled 911 for one?
Mant thanks in advance.
My trusty old steed as just sailed through her MOT and after nearly eight years of ownership I'm thinking of selling my dear old 911. I've wavered before, but the loss of my father a few weeks ago brought it into sharp contrast life needs to be enjoyed and in as many ways as you can before it all becomes to late to.
I have a budget of around £60K .... that will give me the option of quite a few 360s but only a couple of 430s. I'm unsure if I want LHD or RHD as I'll probs use it abroad as much as I'd use it here ..... and after being a lifetime manual lover I'm warming to the whole F1 idea as especially so in LHD as a manual I find a pain when its to the right.
I'm not interested in mileage more history and receipts. This will be garaged but not a garage queen as I will use her (if I can) to the max of 6K miles per year as I do the 911 and I don't give a heck about depreciation. .
i'm one of those guys who would prefer a sound car that I can get up to scratch as I'm not a believer in the mantra that low miles equals a better car.
So as I have no idea what I should be looking for and which is the better drivers car, I thought I'd pop over here and ask what I need to ask and what I need to look out for.
Also anyone done this before and regretted selling their aircooled 911 for one?
Mant thanks in advance.
PH have done buying guides for both 360 & 430 so that's a good place to start your research along with Voicey's site https://aldousvoice.com/ferrari-360-f430-buying-gu...
Different cars, but I sold a 964 that I'd owned for about 9 years and replaced it with a 348. It's a little unfair because I'd also bought a 996 turbo, so the 964 wasn't being used that much when I sold it anyway - but the 348 was so much better (for me).
I had considered the same move about 5 years earlier but was put off by internet stories that suggested I was selling a bullet proof car and buying a nightmare. It wasn't the case and I wished I hadn't lost 5 years of Ferrari ownership.
I've had a 360 for 6 years, and owned it at the same time as the 996 turbo. It's a brilliant car - sure 430s are too, although I've never thought they were different enough to tempt me.
Having said that, I think I've only used my 360 three times since August. Really should try harder.
I had considered the same move about 5 years earlier but was put off by internet stories that suggested I was selling a bullet proof car and buying a nightmare. It wasn't the case and I wished I hadn't lost 5 years of Ferrari ownership.
I've had a 360 for 6 years, and owned it at the same time as the 996 turbo. It's a brilliant car - sure 430s are too, although I've never thought they were different enough to tempt me.
Having said that, I think I've only used my 360 three times since August. Really should try harder.
Condolences on the loss of your father.
Regarding your quest for a Ferrari, I’d echo the advice to read the Aldous Voice website - there’s a ton of useful info on it. I’d also throw in a slightly left field suggestion of looking at a F355.
The 360 and 430 are much larger cars than your air cooled 911. The F355 will be much closer in size. I also think it’s more visceral and go-kart like than the 360 or 430 despite being slower from 0-60. The F355 has the best soundtrack of all the V8 Ferraris, especially with a Capristo or Tubi exhaust.
Regarding your desire for a fully documented/maintained example, I think you’ll struggle to find one in LHD. Continental owners are much less fastidious than U.K. owners when it comes to history and provenance.
Your budget should get you into any one of the cars mentioned above - I’d suggest you try them all, decide which one you like and then seek out the best example for your pocket.
Regarding your quest for a Ferrari, I’d echo the advice to read the Aldous Voice website - there’s a ton of useful info on it. I’d also throw in a slightly left field suggestion of looking at a F355.
The 360 and 430 are much larger cars than your air cooled 911. The F355 will be much closer in size. I also think it’s more visceral and go-kart like than the 360 or 430 despite being slower from 0-60. The F355 has the best soundtrack of all the V8 Ferraris, especially with a Capristo or Tubi exhaust.
Regarding your desire for a fully documented/maintained example, I think you’ll struggle to find one in LHD. Continental owners are much less fastidious than U.K. owners when it comes to history and provenance.
Your budget should get you into any one of the cars mentioned above - I’d suggest you try them all, decide which one you like and then seek out the best example for your pocket.
A few people have mentioned Aldous Voice's website - give the man himself a call at AV Engineering, also speak to Harvey there as he sources cars for customers so knows the market intimately and can probably help you find a car. AV look after my 430 and in my view there are few people more knowledgeable in the UK than Aldous, Ed and Harvey when it comes to 360/430s in particular.
I have just been through the same process, although I kept my 911. For now at least.
Had my 3.2 for 14 years and have not come across anything worthy to replace her. Modern 911s leave me cold and are pretty dull. The closest I came was a 918 Boxster.
Always wanted a Ferrari and a few years ago test drove a manual 360. Bloody loved it, seemed like my 911 on steroids.
That never happened, but this year started looking again and picked up an F1 430 with 33k on the clock in early October.
I too bought it to enjoy and drive, didn’t want a low mileage garage queen as I would just be paying for value I would drive away.
So far I have done about 700 miles and got her utterly filthy a couple of times, so that’s ruined any value
It has definitely been the right decision, and I bloody love it. It’s feels a bit big for some of the narrow and manky B roads, but elsewhere it’s an absolute hoot and everything I wanted. I do seem to visit the petrol station more often than you expect, but I do get to see that amazing fuel filler cap
Sadly with the salt it has been driven in November and I am getting serious withdrawal symptoms.
I also haven’t had a chance to properly drive the 911 since then either and I do miss that. Can’t wait to compare them o n a favourite local blast.
The Ferrari is a bigger car, although it doesn’t feel like it whilst driving. The first time I put it in the garage was fun. You do find your self looking at slopes on and off drives etc. Speed humps don’t seem to be a problem though.
Aldous’s website has some fantastic advice on it, and I would have loved to buy from him. In the end the perfect car for me came up else where.
In your place,I would definitely go look, I think it’s a worthy replacement.
Had my 3.2 for 14 years and have not come across anything worthy to replace her. Modern 911s leave me cold and are pretty dull. The closest I came was a 918 Boxster.
Always wanted a Ferrari and a few years ago test drove a manual 360. Bloody loved it, seemed like my 911 on steroids.
That never happened, but this year started looking again and picked up an F1 430 with 33k on the clock in early October.
I too bought it to enjoy and drive, didn’t want a low mileage garage queen as I would just be paying for value I would drive away.
So far I have done about 700 miles and got her utterly filthy a couple of times, so that’s ruined any value
It has definitely been the right decision, and I bloody love it. It’s feels a bit big for some of the narrow and manky B roads, but elsewhere it’s an absolute hoot and everything I wanted. I do seem to visit the petrol station more often than you expect, but I do get to see that amazing fuel filler cap
Sadly with the salt it has been driven in November and I am getting serious withdrawal symptoms.
I also haven’t had a chance to properly drive the 911 since then either and I do miss that. Can’t wait to compare them o n a favourite local blast.
The Ferrari is a bigger car, although it doesn’t feel like it whilst driving. The first time I put it in the garage was fun. You do find your self looking at slopes on and off drives etc. Speed humps don’t seem to be a problem though.
Aldous’s website has some fantastic advice on it, and I would have loved to buy from him. In the end the perfect car for me came up else where.
In your place,I would definitely go look, I think it’s a worthy replacement.
I used to buy Porsches. Load of them. Then migrated to Ferrari. A totally different experience. For the price of a new Porsche (which will depreciate significantly) you can have a beautiful pre-owned F430 which will hold its value. Running costs are not too high. Then there is the sound! Nothing beats a 360 or 430. I just cannot compare the two marques. Porsche now is in BMW country with many being built, after all it is part of the VW group. Ferraris are very limited at just 8000 per year. If you are not wealthy, but shell out the best part of £100K you want exclusivity. Boxster can be purchased now for not much more than £1000; show me a Ferrari that is a runner at that price & I'll buy it. Personally, I don't drive it much; I know I should. But it is a real treat when I do. Even looking at it in the garage is a sight to behold. I never got that with a 911.
I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your father. It does sadly put things into perspective.
I echo the posts above about the guys at AV. Call them, perhaps pay them a visit to have a nosey around a few cars? Also, try to find out how you can drive the different variants and certainly don't dismiss the F1. We drove all, Modena/Spider/Manual/F1 before our 360 purchase and although we set out to buy a manual spider, we ended up with an F1 Modena. There's no right or wrong, just personal choice. Good luck.
I echo the posts above about the guys at AV. Call them, perhaps pay them a visit to have a nosey around a few cars? Also, try to find out how you can drive the different variants and certainly don't dismiss the F1. We drove all, Modena/Spider/Manual/F1 before our 360 purchase and although we set out to buy a manual spider, we ended up with an F1 Modena. There's no right or wrong, just personal choice. Good luck.
dereksharpuk said:
Boxster can be purchased now for not much more than £1000; show me a Ferrari that is a runner at that price & I'll buy it.
Show me Boxster's that are worth even blinking at at that price and I'll buy ten!Gentlemen.
Thank you for your replies and condolences. We buried my father on Friday and sent him merrily on his way .... theres is some really nice fellas still on PH which is good to know.
Just an update. I went to have a look at a 360 yesterday and parked next to it was a 430, both imo beautiful cars. The 430 was alas out of my price bracket but I’ve seen on PH classifieds a LHD with high mileage circa 75K under her belt in my price bracket. ..... I might just pop up in the week to have a look. .... It maybe a dog but worth a visit at the price.
Thanks again.
Thank you for your replies and condolences. We buried my father on Friday and sent him merrily on his way .... theres is some really nice fellas still on PH which is good to know.
Just an update. I went to have a look at a 360 yesterday and parked next to it was a 430, both imo beautiful cars. The 430 was alas out of my price bracket but I’ve seen on PH classifieds a LHD with high mileage circa 75K under her belt in my price bracket. ..... I might just pop up in the week to have a look. .... It maybe a dog but worth a visit at the price.
Thanks again.
Wozy68 said:
Gentlemen.
Thank you for your replies and condolences. We buried my father on Friday and sent him merrily on his way .... theres is some really nice fellas still on PH which is good to know.
Just an update. I went to have a look at a 360 yesterday and parked next to it was a 430, both imo beautiful cars. The 430 was alas out of my price bracket but I’ve seen on PH classifieds a LHD with high mileage circa 75K under her belt in my price bracket. ..... I might just pop up in the week to have a look. .... It maybe a dog but worth a visit at the price.
Thanks again.
Many Condolences to the loss of your father.Thank you for your replies and condolences. We buried my father on Friday and sent him merrily on his way .... theres is some really nice fellas still on PH which is good to know.
Just an update. I went to have a look at a 360 yesterday and parked next to it was a 430, both imo beautiful cars. The 430 was alas out of my price bracket but I’ve seen on PH classifieds a LHD with high mileage circa 75K under her belt in my price bracket. ..... I might just pop up in the week to have a look. .... It maybe a dog but worth a visit at the price.
Thanks again.
I don't have a Porsche so I can't give much inputs on the Porsches.
I personally found the F430 is a more completed car than the 360. The styling details, the F1 gear box and the engine. The 360 has its charm on the rawness in my opinions. F430 is the first mid-engined Ferrari without an engine out service, so the maintenance cost is more manageable. The engine is reasonably solid, albeit like any other high performance cars, the F430 do have their Achillie's heel, like the manifolds and ball joints to name a couple. if you can find one, I would recommend to buy a car with after market Capristo exhaust headers fitted. They sounds so much better than stocks.
A Ferrari is a Ferrari, the name just carries so much appeal. My wife told all her friends about the Ferrari, they were all awed by it and no one care which one I actually own. I also have experienced some nice attentions from petrol stations or whenever I parked up.
I agree with you about low mileage vs high mileages. Important factors to consider are maintenance, service history and specifications. There are some must have specifications which will make it easier for you to off load the car in the future. Good luck in your car hunting, perhaps it is actually a good time to find some bargain from a dealer this time of the year.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your father Wozy. I lost my mother almost two years to the day. It gives you a very different perspective on life, cars and your remaining nearest and dearest.
Second time I've seen that posted recently.This ^ See the aforementioned Rattarossa’s recent YT video re changing 360 cam belts in the US.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_C4vmo_Oqs
The Ferrari “thing” is a tricky one, and something I’ve considered on many occasions over the last 4-5 years, this after a plethora of air and watercooled Porsche RS and GT cars.
430 is lovely, but there’s a host of electronic trickery going on behind the scenes whilst your driving it, the 360 is much more raw and analogue, and at the risk of offending, better looking than the later car.
Sounds better too (but will need a Capristo or similar to allow it to really shine)
Good luck whatever you decide upon
davek_964 said:
Tuscan Wil said:
F430 is the first mid-engined Ferrari without an engine out service
No it isn't. The 360 doesn't need the engine out for the belts.Second time I've seen that posted recently.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p_C4vmo_Oqs
The Ferrari “thing” is a tricky one, and something I’ve considered on many occasions over the last 4-5 years, this after a plethora of air and watercooled Porsche RS and GT cars.
430 is lovely, but there’s a host of electronic trickery going on behind the scenes whilst your driving it, the 360 is much more raw and analogue, and at the risk of offending, better looking than the later car.
Sounds better too (but will need a Capristo or similar to allow it to really shine)
Good luck whatever you decide upon
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