F360/430 F1 Gearbox Clutch longevity
Discussion
Ideally I am after a manual, but sometimes the right car in the right condition isn't in the spec you want.
Therefore I am trying understand what life with the F1 box might be like. I guess my concerns are around slow speed parking, especially slow reverse up the drive into the garage and also how it behaves in slow and stop/start traffic queues.
In the traffic jam situation, how does the box behave, can you crawl along in 1st with the clutch fully engaged. In a manual car I would only move if I could crawl along with clutch out and no throttle. Would the F1 box be constantly "riding" the clutch.
Are there any hints and tips to extend the life of the clutch?
Cheers
Therefore I am trying understand what life with the F1 box might be like. I guess my concerns are around slow speed parking, especially slow reverse up the drive into the garage and also how it behaves in slow and stop/start traffic queues.
In the traffic jam situation, how does the box behave, can you crawl along in 1st with the clutch fully engaged. In a manual car I would only move if I could crawl along with clutch out and no throttle. Would the F1 box be constantly "riding" the clutch.
Are there any hints and tips to extend the life of the clutch?
Cheers
Voicey's technical page:
"Many people dismiss the F1 system purely because of the horror stores of clutches wearing out in under 5,000 miles. Although this is possible, is entirely down to set up and driving style.
A properly set up and considerately driven F1 clutch can last as long as it’s manual counterpart."
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&...
"Many people dismiss the F1 system purely because of the horror stores of clutches wearing out in under 5,000 miles. Although this is possible, is entirely down to set up and driving style.
A properly set up and considerately driven F1 clutch can last as long as it’s manual counterpart."
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&...
Edited by johnnyreggae on Friday 9th August 09:41
I have a 2005 F1 with 30k on it, a mix of track work, tours and commuting, and clutch wear is at 25%. I think people forget that it is actually a manual with a robotised gear change, therefore you need to drive it as you would a manual. In other words, don't creep it as you would an automatic - in either forward or reverse, don't sit in traffic with the clutch in - drop it in to neutral whenever you can, and definitely don't use launch control.
To my mind the 430 is better suited to an F1, of course a manual makes changing gears more involving but there are better cars in which to experience that. The 430 was designed to be rapid, it used technology taken directly from F1 and it's a joyous thing to exploit, accelerator pinned to the bulkhead while each flick of the paddle results in a proper kick in the back.
To my mind the 430 is better suited to an F1, of course a manual makes changing gears more involving but there are better cars in which to experience that. The 430 was designed to be rapid, it used technology taken directly from F1 and it's a joyous thing to exploit, accelerator pinned to the bulkhead while each flick of the paddle results in a proper kick in the back.
I have 2000 360 and the first thing I did was change the transmission control unit to a Challenge Stradale one. My clutch would regularly beep in traffic because it was overheating, no issues now.
My clutch wear is averaging 1% for every 1000 miles and is currently at 29% at 29500 miles. The previous owner did 19% in 2000 miles.
I’m very gentle in 1st until the clutch is fully engaged, leave a gap in traffic to allow for this, then move to 2nd rather than crawl in 1st.
I think standard becomes sport and sport becomes race with the cs tcu. Under 4K rpm changes are very smooth, no jerkiness between gears. At higher rpm changes I leave in sport for quicker changes.
No issues at all with clutch, you just need to drive with some care as it’s not a auto or dct.
I bought when prices of manual and F1 were the same and decided on F1 as I had a bmw csl previously. No regrets here.
My clutch wear is averaging 1% for every 1000 miles and is currently at 29% at 29500 miles. The previous owner did 19% in 2000 miles.
I’m very gentle in 1st until the clutch is fully engaged, leave a gap in traffic to allow for this, then move to 2nd rather than crawl in 1st.
I think standard becomes sport and sport becomes race with the cs tcu. Under 4K rpm changes are very smooth, no jerkiness between gears. At higher rpm changes I leave in sport for quicker changes.
No issues at all with clutch, you just need to drive with some care as it’s not a auto or dct.
I bought when prices of manual and F1 were the same and decided on F1 as I had a bmw csl previously. No regrets here.
this topic's been raised a few times re lambo's equivalent e-gear
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
mwstewart said:
Driving style will have a big effect on this, and also the year of the car: there were many software tweaks over the years, and in late 2007 a significant update which increased life.
Can you get the later software updates applied to older cars? I have a vague recollection of this being the case, but at a cost.Would be nice if you got all the latest software updated at service, like I do with our Volvo.
supersport said:
mwstewart said:
Driving style will have a big effect on this, and also the year of the car: there were many software tweaks over the years, and in late 2007 a significant update which increased life.
Can you get the later software updates applied to older cars? I have a vague recollection of this being the case, but at a cost.Would be nice if you got all the latest software updated at service, like I do with our Volvo.
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