Clutch Replacement and Service Advice

[J Little]

Hi All,

I own a Ferrari F430 (relatively low miles sub 25k) and after covering 2000 miles since the last annual Ferrari have identified the below. I wanted to get advice as to if this is reasonable and is to be expected? Is the pricing in-line with what you would think?

The car has full main dealer history and naturally I want to maintain it, but if there is a significant saving for leaving the main dealer network should I consider it?

Front brake pads - £396.31 including vat to replace. We will asses the discs once removed and advise

Rear brake pads - £432.14 including vat to replace. We will assess the discs once removed and advise

Major oil leak from rear engine main seal – £1771.92 including vat to replace

Clutch plate disintegrated – a new clutch will be required £4313.03 including vat.

Please note: if clutch replacement is completed with rear main seal then the labour cost will be reduced as it’s in the same area – done together the clutch
replacement is £3008.03 plus the main seal cost of £1771.92.

Please note: during clutch replacement if flywheel, bearings and seals are found to be worn then an extra parts cost only would be added to replace these of £2230.91including vat

Auxiliary belt change is due - £311 incl. vat
Power steering fluid change is due - £98 incl. vat

Many thanks for any input - James.

Edited by J Little on Thursday 11th April 17:27

[MDL111]

my prices are for a Scud and Ferrari main dealer in Germany (so only of limited help)

Front pads were c 800 Euros plus VAT for the parts and c. 320 Euros plus VAT work
Clutch, I have not changed yet but was quoted c 6k Euros all-in (parts plus work)

Given there are plenty of good independents in the UK and if you are not keeping a Ferrari warranty, then I would probably ask them for a quote - when I was still in the UK, it was a lot cheaper to go independent on my 355 (that is 10 years ago though). Especially as their hourly rate was a lot lower than main dealer at the time.

Edit: I think Voicey one here is somebody to speak to/message if he does not respond to this thread

[J Little]

MDL111 said:

my prices are for a Scud and Ferrari main dealer in Germany (so only of limited help)

Front pads were c 800 Euros plus VAT for the parts and c. 320 Euros plus VAT work
Clutch, I have not changed yet but was quoted c 6k Euros all-in (parts plus work)

Given there are plenty of good independents in the UK and if you are not keeping a Ferrari warranty, then I would probably ask them for a quote - when I was still in the UK, it was a lot cheaper to go independent on my 355 (that is 10 years ago though). Especially as their hourly rate was a lot lower than main dealer at the time.

OK so it seems in the ball park.

I guess the question I have to answer is it worth the premium to stay inside the network and maintain FFSH or take it out and make a saving on this quote.

[johnnyreggae]

Where in the UK are you as this could affect our advice - some areas your car may be better served main dealer & some indy

[J Little]

I'm in London Johnny, so South.

[johnnyreggae]

Talk to Carr's the main dealer in Exeter - they'll collect and have an admirable reputation

For non-franchise talk to AV / Voicey in Kent

[J Little]

Thank you for the advice.

[SRBA]

Hi

I have just had a service carried out at Joe Macari on my F430 and they replaced the Aux belt and air filter for £200.00 Excl VAT. Compared to the other issues on your car, I know this is not much help, but as they are a main dealer for servicing, might be worth checking prices with them?

[J Little]

Thanks - I didn't think about Joe Macari - as you say it's only a marginal difference and in the scheme not significant, but maybe they will be similarly discounted on the other parts.

[BlackR8]

My advice would be get the additional works done by a reputable specialist and just take the car to the main dealer for just the service to keep the FFSH up.

It will probably also give you an opportunity to get a second opinion of the works that are required.

[SRBA]

BlackR8 said:

My advice would be get the additional works done by a reputable specialist and just take the car to the main dealer for just the service to keep the FFSH up.

It will probably also give you an opportunity to get a second opinion of the works that are required.

Agree with the above, 100%

[SRBA]

BlackR8 said:

My advice would be get the additional works done by a reputable specialist and just take the car to the main dealer for just the service to keep the FFSH up.

It will probably also give you an opportunity to get a second opinion of the works that are required.

Agree with the above, 100%

[J Little]

Just to clarify what would you see as the additional items from the list?

Are you suggesting clutch and rear main seal from an indi?

[Roof down]

Get in. Touch with AV Engineering; just had my 360 rear main seal replaced , around 800 po unds, cam seals and belts replaced full service, near side lower ball joint .
Everything cleaned in the process total cost circa 3k inc rear main.
Ed and the team are second to none, cannot recommend them highly enough.Mike

[BlackR8]

J Little said:

Just to clarify what would you see as the additional items from the list?

Are you suggesting clutch and rear main seal from an indi?

Yes thats exactly what im suggesting. Any advisory or required items above and beyond the routine servicing can be carried out by an independent specialist using OEM parts but at lower labour rates.

When the time comes to sell the car in future a FFSH is still maintained along with documented proof of any additional works being done inline with Ferrari advisorys or recommendations.

Edited by BlackR8 on Thursday 11th April 23:18

[voicey]

To get the gearbox off, replace the clutch and/or rms and re-assemble you're looking at 10/11 hours labour. Independents are usually about half the cost of main dealers so you could be saving about a £1k here.

Parts are usually the same price (as they all come from the same supply chain). The RMS is cheap at about £30. The clutch and pressure plate is £2k. You may need a pilot bearing at £25.

The flywheel is really expensive at £1.3k (for what it is) but given it sounds like your clutch fingers have broken down it will likely go again. I have asked Hill engineering to start making them which should halve the cost but I don't know where Paul is with this.

The release bearing can be inspected whilst the box is off which can add to the cost of the job if it's worn (about £500). If the inner CV joint boots look flaky then it's an opportune time to change them as they can be done without removing the driveshafts (not that expensive).

All prices are approximate and plus VAT.

[voicey]

I've just noticed the other comedy prices in the OP. £300 to change the aux belt - it takes about 5 mins if the car is up on the lift and Dayco belts can be had for about £20!