Scud or Speciale?
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Which would you guys recommend and why?
I know both are awesome drivers cars. I have spent a substantial amount of time behind the wheel of a 430 and 458 but never the more hardcore versions. I am also not so keen on turbo cars.
Key considerations:
1) sweaty palms and smiley face factor
2) retaining value
3) maintenance cost
I am considering a RHD or LHD scud or speciale. In no rush to buy so happy to wait for the right deal.
Thanks guys!
I know both are awesome drivers cars. I have spent a substantial amount of time behind the wheel of a 430 and 458 but never the more hardcore versions. I am also not so keen on turbo cars.
Key considerations:
1) sweaty palms and smiley face factor
2) retaining value
3) maintenance cost
I am considering a RHD or LHD scud or speciale. In no rush to buy so happy to wait for the right deal.
Thanks guys!
I've driven a Scud before and have a Speciale. Both are great fun but lack the obvious comfort of the 430/458 - harder suspension etc. This does not bother me though as it is not a surprise.
1) Both are a laugh, you can't say one is massively less entertaining than the other. It depends what you want but the 430 is more spartan and the gearbox is a single clutch so arguably more hardcore (more likely to need changing regularly, especially if you use launch control). My friend has a Scud and prefers this over my Speciale but he enjoys driving both.
2) I'm not an expert by any means but would say that both have gone up in price since new although there appear to be lots less scuds vs speciales. I look at prices every now and then when messing around looking at cars on PH (which I do far too often) and notice that there are a few which have been up for sale for ages.
There is a rosso corsa RHD Speciale on PH now for sub-£300k which has (as far as I can see) been for sale with the same dealer for a really, really long time. The only reason I can specifically remember for how long it has been for sale, is that back in May 2016 I got married. While my wife was busy in duty free at Heathrow en route to our honeymoon and for a lot of the flight out to the trip, I spent a while looking at Ferrari's and saw the same Speciale up for more than it is for sale now. So almost 3 years. Same dealer. Same pics. I also recall they had an F12 TDF for sale later for £1.1m+
3) You'll probably get the last year or two of Ferrari servicing on a late Speciale. I've still got one left on mine so can't comment on how much it costs to service but will find out next year. I didn't bother with renewing the warranty last year (mine in a '14 RHD) as the car has been pretty reliable over 15k miles so far. I got quoted prices from the dealer to renew and passed on the basis that if it happens, I'll just pay for it.
What made me laugh a few months ago was that despite the car not having any material maintenance issues in the time I've owned it and never having anything flagged by the main dealer each year when it goes for it's MOT and service was that they managed to reel off an entire page of "advisory" work which needed doing (I believe it was more than £5k and less than £10k cumulatively - all of which I declined). None of which impacted the car passing thought it's MOT. What I am trying to say is that you should not be put off potential ownership by overly zealous quotations from main dealers. I use the car a fair bit so most of the gremlins that get flagged online I've been lucky to avoid.
1) Both are a laugh, you can't say one is massively less entertaining than the other. It depends what you want but the 430 is more spartan and the gearbox is a single clutch so arguably more hardcore (more likely to need changing regularly, especially if you use launch control). My friend has a Scud and prefers this over my Speciale but he enjoys driving both.
2) I'm not an expert by any means but would say that both have gone up in price since new although there appear to be lots less scuds vs speciales. I look at prices every now and then when messing around looking at cars on PH (which I do far too often) and notice that there are a few which have been up for sale for ages.
There is a rosso corsa RHD Speciale on PH now for sub-£300k which has (as far as I can see) been for sale with the same dealer for a really, really long time. The only reason I can specifically remember for how long it has been for sale, is that back in May 2016 I got married. While my wife was busy in duty free at Heathrow en route to our honeymoon and for a lot of the flight out to the trip, I spent a while looking at Ferrari's and saw the same Speciale up for more than it is for sale now. So almost 3 years. Same dealer. Same pics. I also recall they had an F12 TDF for sale later for £1.1m+
3) You'll probably get the last year or two of Ferrari servicing on a late Speciale. I've still got one left on mine so can't comment on how much it costs to service but will find out next year. I didn't bother with renewing the warranty last year (mine in a '14 RHD) as the car has been pretty reliable over 15k miles so far. I got quoted prices from the dealer to renew and passed on the basis that if it happens, I'll just pay for it.
What made me laugh a few months ago was that despite the car not having any material maintenance issues in the time I've owned it and never having anything flagged by the main dealer each year when it goes for it's MOT and service was that they managed to reel off an entire page of "advisory" work which needed doing (I believe it was more than £5k and less than £10k cumulatively - all of which I declined). None of which impacted the car passing thought it's MOT. What I am trying to say is that you should not be put off potential ownership by overly zealous quotations from main dealers. I use the car a fair bit so most of the gremlins that get flagged online I've been lucky to avoid.
Edited by JW82 on Thursday 11th April 15:28
warranty on my Scud covered a few suspension replacement parts and I am worried that eventually the gearbox might let go, so am keeping it. Those shifts in race mode feel absolutely brutal (and unhealthy for mechanical parts ….)
so far done front pads twice and rear pads once plus a new exhaust backbox. Service costs were reasonable from memory, nothing too shocking. I can look them up if you are interested (only done 1 service so far though).
done c. 15k km since buying the car in November 2017 (it is off the road during winter as no winter tyres approved for it). So far been Brno, Hockenheim, 3x Salzburgring with it
I am now running Challenge geo on it, so will be interesting (so far only done a half day at the Salzburgring taking it easy as ambient temps below 10 degrees). Will be able to tell more in 3 weeks as doing the Red Bull Ring in 10 days and then again beginning of March at the Ferrari event.
I have not driven a Speciale, but can highly recommend the Scud, esp on the new geo it feels like a go kart. Hope this helps a little
re values, no clue - I do not plan to sell it (well unless I can use the money to fund a CGT, but that looks unlikely). am now on 65k km and it feels fit as a fiddle
so far done front pads twice and rear pads once plus a new exhaust backbox. Service costs were reasonable from memory, nothing too shocking. I can look them up if you are interested (only done 1 service so far though).
done c. 15k km since buying the car in November 2017 (it is off the road during winter as no winter tyres approved for it). So far been Brno, Hockenheim, 3x Salzburgring with it
I am now running Challenge geo on it, so will be interesting (so far only done a half day at the Salzburgring taking it easy as ambient temps below 10 degrees). Will be able to tell more in 3 weeks as doing the Red Bull Ring in 10 days and then again beginning of March at the Ferrari event.
I have not driven a Speciale, but can highly recommend the Scud, esp on the new geo it feels like a go kart. Hope this helps a little
re values, no clue - I do not plan to sell it (well unless I can use the money to fund a CGT, but that looks unlikely). am now on 65k km and it feels fit as a fiddle
Is it mainly a road car? Have a think about your driving style and whether you like to use the engine a bit or whether you're happy just to be in something special regardless.
If the latter I'd probably go Speciale, if the former I'd go Scuderia - it's about the most bhp/tonne you'll ever need for spirited driving on the road.
If the latter I'd probably go Speciale, if the former I'd go Scuderia - it's about the most bhp/tonne you'll ever need for spirited driving on the road.
mwstewart said:
Is it mainly a road car? Have a think about your driving style and whether you like to use the engine a bit or whether you're happy just to be in something special regardless.
If the latter I'd probably go Speciale, if the former I'd go Scuderia - it's about the most bhp/tonne you'll ever need for spirited driving on the road.
Street driving only... I will let her rip quite often on the resistors etc. If the latter I'd probably go Speciale, if the former I'd go Scuderia - it's about the most bhp/tonne you'll ever need for spirited driving on the road.
I noticed a huge performance gap going from the 430 to 458, but I am not sure if the gap is similar between the scud to speciale. Frankly the 458 was plenty of car for the road, but I prefer the rarity, styling and character of the more hardcore versions.
Edited by BrntRubber on Thursday 11th April 20:10
JW82 said:
I've driven a Scud before and have a Speciale. Both are great fun but lack the obvious comfort of the 430/458 - harder suspension etc. This does not bother me though as it is not a surprise.
1) Both are a laugh, you can't say one is massively less entertaining than the other. It depends what you want but the 430 is more spartan and the gearbox is a single clutch so arguably more hardcore (more likely to need changing regularly, especially if you use launch control). My friend has a Scud and prefers this over my Speciale but he enjoys driving both.
2) I'm not an expert by any means but would say that both have gone up in price since new although there appear to be lots less scuds vs speciales. I look at prices every now and then when messing around looking at cars on PH (which I do far too often) and notice that there are a few which have been up for sale for ages.
There is a rosso corsa RHD Speciale on PH now for sub-£300k which has (as far as I can see) been for sale with the same dealer for a really, really long time. The only reason I can specifically remember for how long it has been for sale, is that back in May 2016 I got married. While my wife was busy in duty free at Heathrow en route to our honeymoon and for a lot of the flight out to the trip, I spent a while looking at Ferrari's and saw the same Speciale up for more than it is for sale now. So almost 3 years. Same dealer. Same pics. I also recall they had an F12 TDF for sale later for £1.1m+
3) You'll probably get the last year or two of Ferrari servicing on a late Speciale. I've still got one left on mine so can't comment on how much it costs to service but will find out next year. I didn't bother with renewing the warranty last year (mine in a '14 RHD) as the car has been pretty reliable over 15k miles so far. I got quoted prices from the dealer to renew and passed on the basis that if it happens, I'll just pay for it.
What made me laugh a few months ago was that despite the car not having any material maintenance issues in the time I've owned it and never having anything flagged by the main dealer each year when it goes for it's MOT and service was that they managed to reel off an entire page of "advisory" work which needed doing (I believe it was more than £5k and less than £10k cumulatively - all of which I declined). None of which impacted the car passing thought it's MOT. What I am trying to say is that you should not be put off potential ownership by overly zealous quotations from main dealers. I use the car a fair bit so most of the gremlins that get flagged online I've been lucky to avoid.
Thank you for a very thorough response.1) Both are a laugh, you can't say one is massively less entertaining than the other. It depends what you want but the 430 is more spartan and the gearbox is a single clutch so arguably more hardcore (more likely to need changing regularly, especially if you use launch control). My friend has a Scud and prefers this over my Speciale but he enjoys driving both.
2) I'm not an expert by any means but would say that both have gone up in price since new although there appear to be lots less scuds vs speciales. I look at prices every now and then when messing around looking at cars on PH (which I do far too often) and notice that there are a few which have been up for sale for ages.
There is a rosso corsa RHD Speciale on PH now for sub-£300k which has (as far as I can see) been for sale with the same dealer for a really, really long time. The only reason I can specifically remember for how long it has been for sale, is that back in May 2016 I got married. While my wife was busy in duty free at Heathrow en route to our honeymoon and for a lot of the flight out to the trip, I spent a while looking at Ferrari's and saw the same Speciale up for more than it is for sale now. So almost 3 years. Same dealer. Same pics. I also recall they had an F12 TDF for sale later for £1.1m+
3) You'll probably get the last year or two of Ferrari servicing on a late Speciale. I've still got one left on mine so can't comment on how much it costs to service but will find out next year. I didn't bother with renewing the warranty last year (mine in a '14 RHD) as the car has been pretty reliable over 15k miles so far. I got quoted prices from the dealer to renew and passed on the basis that if it happens, I'll just pay for it.
What made me laugh a few months ago was that despite the car not having any material maintenance issues in the time I've owned it and never having anything flagged by the main dealer each year when it goes for it's MOT and service was that they managed to reel off an entire page of "advisory" work which needed doing (I believe it was more than £5k and less than £10k cumulatively - all of which I declined). None of which impacted the car passing thought it's MOT. What I am trying to say is that you should not be put off potential ownership by overly zealous quotations from main dealers. I use the car a fair bit so most of the gremlins that get flagged online I've been lucky to avoid.
Edited by JW82 on Thursday 11th April 15:28
BrntRubber said:
Street driving only... I will let her rip quite often on the resistors etc.
I noticed a huge performance gap going from the 430 to 458, but I am not sure if the gap is similar between the scud to speciale. Frankly the 458 was plenty of car for the road, but I prefer the rarity, styling and character of the more hardcore versions.
The Scuderia is marginally quicker than a 458 to around 115 then the 458 will start to pull away. The Speciale is a jump up again. I noticed a huge performance gap going from the 430 to 458, but I am not sure if the gap is similar between the scud to speciale. Frankly the 458 was plenty of car for the road, but I prefer the rarity, styling and character of the more hardcore versions.
Edited by BrntRubber on Thursday 11th April 20:10
I’ve just bought a Speciale and owned a 16M for many years which is of course very similar to the Scud. The Speciale is a lot more playful, it just wants to slide if you drive it a little bit aggressively and the systems are more geared to that. The gearbox in particular though is so much “better” than the 16M/Scud - which was good in its day but is a bit slow and annoying by modern standards; but it is personal opinion. Preferred the exhaust note on the 16M though - I think the Speciale is supposed to get louder as you put more miles on the car so let’s see, a mate of mine changed his to Novitec. Brakes on the older car are not all that good IMO, really need to be hot and can be alarmingly slow to stop the car when cold. They both feel very similar to sit in, and both special. Overall, for the gearbox and playfulness I prefer the Speciale.
Hi, I have a 430 Scud which I absolutely love. This is my first Ferrari and I just fell for the stripped out nature of the car. I have been considering moving to a Speciale but am concerned I will miss the Scud too much, the sound is epic ...
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