488 VS

[col68]

First facts emerging from Maranello on the upcoming 488 VS.


http://www.ferrariphotopage.com/the-488-gto-will-b...

[Prestige Detail]

Code name bye bye McLaren

[Summit_Detailing]

Prestige Detail said:

Code name bye bye McLaren

Well maybe..until the 720 LT arrives in 2020

[Bunty Killa]

I'm not a big Ferrari fan but this looks awesome

[MDL111]

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

[gbrown2014]

MDL111 said:

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

I'm on the same page, it constantly feels like manufacturers are always holding something back for the 'special' version, just make the best car you can sell as many as possible for 5 years then release the next one. It must be putting 'normal' buyers off as they know something better is always around the corner

[ajr550]

Don't disagree with this but in fairness to Ferrari their product cycle has been pretty consistent since 360 CS was launched in 2003.There is speculation that this could change with the 488 but let's see.
The biggest "culprit" has been McLaren who seem to bring a different model out every 5 minutes and this is reflected in their residuals.

[Hurri360]

MDL111 said:

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

+1
Think Ferrari got it right with the 360cs.
In Fairness to McLaren they have had a planned model line up and have established themselves extremely quickly.

[ajr550]

Hurri360 said:

+1
Think Ferrari got it right with the 360cs.
In Fairness to McLaren they have had a planned model line up and have established themselves extremely quickly.

Agreed.I think what McLaren has done in a short space of time is extremely impressive.Not knocking their product cycle model either just saying they have been the ones who have "disrupted" the status quo in terms of product releases.

[RamboLambo]

Summit_Detailing said:

Well maybe..until the 720 LT arrives in 2020

Code name "eat my dust Ferrari"

[_Leg_]

ajr550 said:

Don't disagree with this but in fairness to Ferrari their product cycle has been pretty consistent since 360 CS was launched in 2003.There is speculation that this could change with the 488 but let's see.
The biggest "culprit" has been McLaren who seem to bring a different model out every 5 minutes and this is reflected in their residuals.

I'll see your McLaren bid and nominate Lotus as the most prolific releasers of new models that aren't really new models. Ok, not supercars but Hethel, give it a rest already!

[hondansx]

MDL111 said:

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

Couldn't agree more!

[Camlet]

MDL111 said:

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

Your points are well made. But wasn't it always thus, with special models being made to order by some celebrity, sports hero or royal other? There are many examples spread over decades of carmaking. We all know that people always want something that's unique and this means there's useful juicy incremental margin for the enterprising carmaker. The difference today is the motor trade has scaled it to epic proportions. While frustrating you can't blame the carmakers for giving people what they want.

And as we head towards to the era of ''connected mobility'' the carmakers now have an incentive much larger than just vital extra margin to create these highly demanded variants, they are using limited edition models to help create a substantial data lake from the segmentation of their customers.

Years ago the carmakers viewed you and I as relatively unimportant, the dealer ruled, sales was a linear process. Make the car, sell it in, spend money of TV ads and job done. Now the dealer is increasingly irrelevant as carmakers scramble to own the direct relationship with the people you own and drive. Some even think we will not own cars instead we'll buy package of use like our mobile phone agreements? Either way the rationale to make limited variants at scale is strong at many levels.

[MDL111]

Camlet said:

MDL111 said:

Somehow I am getting less and less excited about new cars - it seems Porsche/McLaren/Ferrari/Lamborghini produce a new model or limited version every month (between them) - they are obviously always a bit lighter with a bit more power and various aero efficiency or downforce claims and will lap the manufacturer’s favorite track a little faster than the previous model - much of that I suspect probably down to increased power and tyre technology advancement and less so aero.

Not sure if I am alone on this, but if I - as a lifelong car fan and many hours a day on pisontheads type of guy who spends all his money on cars instead of a pension - am getting a little jaded and bored by all this, then it might well be a sign of enthusiasts in general becoming a little less interested in all these new cars / might lead to fewer buyers fighting over allocations going forward

Your points are well made. But wasn't it always thus, with special models being made to order by some celebrity, sports hero or royal other? There are many examples spread over decades of carmaking. We all know that people always want something that's unique and this means there's useful juicy incremental margin for the enterprising carmaker. The difference today is the motor trade has scaled it to epic proportions. While frustrating you can't blame the carmakers for giving people what they want.

And as we head towards to the era of ''connected mobility'' the carmakers now have an incentive much larger than just vital extra margin to create these highly demanded variants, they are using limited edition models to help create a substantial data lake from the segmentation of their customers.

Years ago the carmakers viewed you and I as relatively unimportant, the dealer ruled, sales was a linear process. Make the car, sell it in, spend money of TV ads and job done. Now the dealer is increasingly irrelevant as carmakers scramble to own the direct relationship with the people you own and drive. Some even think we will not own cars instead we'll buy package of use like our mobile phone agreements? Either way the rationale to make limited variants at scale is strong at many levels.

Not blaming them at all, they should skim as much profit as possible now as the market will eventually turn again and it will be more difficult to sell 200k plus cars (esp if there are this many manufacturers with different models to choose from). Even Ferrari wants to double production (thank you IPO) .... and they will try to do it by launching new models to an extent, so it will lead to even more cars to choose from. Once these cars start depreciating again with something approaching the rate of normal cars, I think quite a few buyers will fall away though (less so for Ferrari probably - although at double the number of cars they might eventually also be impacted)

I wouldn’t necessarily compare coach built or one-off cars with producing 2,000 units of a version with slightly different aero and a bit more hp, but I do get your Point. people are fighting for slots because apart from it being financially beneficial nowadays, it also is like being let into a hip club - being on the list is gratification in itself already.

Interesting also about the segmentation, although to get a F12tdf I’d have to have bought a large number of V12 models over the last decade or so, so they’d have more than enough data on me already. My dealer is putting on some nice events (that I unfortunately never attend due to time constraints), so I think they still have a place esp to tie people to the brand who so far have only bought used Ferraris, but are clearly your best group for new Ferrari spa customers

You make an interesting point about buying packages - I think I read somewhere that Porsche is offering something like that somewhere

[WDISMYL]

Bunty Killa said:

I'm not a big Ferrari fan but this looks awesome

I assume you are being ironic? It looks identical to a 488 - no surprise there though. What am I missing?

I agree with MDL111. The market is becoming saturated. The reach into the SUV is another finger grabbing exercise to hang onto the momentum. But nothing lasts forever as much as humans always seem to think/hope they will in the midst of the “good times”.

Capitalism only works with a boom and bust cycle - despite Gordon Browns rhetoric.

Just as people “can’t believe I could have bought an F40 at £125k” , people will say “I can’t believe people paid £1m for a TDF”.

I too am rapidly losing interest in the “next best thing”.
Good luck to those who get a 488 speciale. But it’s mantle will be just as quickly taken.

[RamboLambo]

WDISMYL said:

I assume you are being ironic? It looks identical to a 488 - no surprise there though. What am I missing?

I agree with MDL111. The market is becoming saturated. The reach into the SUV is another finger grabbing exercise to hang onto the momentum. But nothing lasts forever as much as humans always seem to think/hope they will in the midst of the “good times”.

Capitalism only works with a boom and bust cycle - despite Gordon Browns rhetoric.

Just as people “can’t believe I could have bought an F40 at £125k” , people will say “I can’t believe people paid £1m for a TDF”.

I too am rapidly losing interest in the “next best thing”.
Good luck to those who get a 488 speciale. But it’s mantle will be just as quickly taken.

Well it looks like its lower and got a nicer front bumper at least. Still no normally aspirated engine though and will have to try and compete with the 720S before being whipped again by the 750LT.
Hey they could put a prancing horse badge on a wheel barrow and it would still sell for extortionate money, bah bah

[Bunty Killa]

The front bonnet air vents on first pic (not clear on uploaded picture) and front bumper. Hints from LaF

WDISMYL said:

I assume you are being ironic? It looks identical to a 488 - no surprise there though. What am I missing?

I agree with MDL111. The market is becoming saturated. The reach into the SUV is another finger grabbing exercise to hang onto the momentum. But nothing lasts forever as much as humans always seem to think/hope they will in the midst of the “good times”.

Capitalism only works with a boom and bust cycle - despite Gordon Browns rhetoric.

Just as people “can’t believe I could have bought an F40 at £125k” , people will say “I can’t believe people paid £1m for a TDF”.

I too am rapidly losing interest in the “next best thing”.
Good luck to those who get a 488 speciale. But it’s mantle will be just as quickly taken.

[ajr550]

Camlet said:

Your points are well made. But wasn't it always thus, with special models being made to order by some celebrity, sports hero or royal other? There are many examples spread over decades of carmaking. We all know that people always want something that's unique and this means there's useful juicy incremental margin for the enterprising carmaker. The difference today is the motor trade has scaled it to epic proportions. While frustrating you can't blame the carmakers for giving people what they want.

And as we head towards to the era of ''connected mobility'' the carmakers now have an incentive much larger than just vital extra margin to create these highly demanded variants, they are using limited edition models to help create a substantial data lake from the segmentation of their customers.

Years ago the carmakers viewed you and I as relatively unimportant, the dealer ruled, sales was a linear process. Make the car, sell it in, spend money of TV ads and job done. Now the dealer is increasingly irrelevant as carmakers scramble to own the direct relationship with the people you own and drive. Some even think we will not own cars instead we'll buy package of use like our mobile phone agreements? Either way the rationale to make limited variants at scale is strong at many levels.

I don't get the dealership model now.Big overheads and don't make much money.It must change IMHO.

[moneymakestheworldgoaround]

[WCZ]

looks decent but I hate the stripes