Discussion
So this will be my first Ferrari and I love both cars. However I'm not made of money so don't want to buy something that will lose 20k per annum.
I've only driven the 458 so far but I'm sure I'd get on with either, I'll probably only do 2k per annum so it's just a bit of fun for the weekends!
So do I go balls out on 458 and spend £150k or get a nice 430 cab for £100k. I think the 430 prices have levelled out now, but not sure on the 458? Could it come down to 430 prices in just 3/4 years? I'd be grateful if any opinions!
I've only driven the 458 so far but I'm sure I'd get on with either, I'll probably only do 2k per annum so it's just a bit of fun for the weekends!
So do I go balls out on 458 and spend £150k or get a nice 430 cab for £100k. I think the 430 prices have levelled out now, but not sure on the 458? Could it come down to 430 prices in just 3/4 years? I'd be grateful if any opinions!
I personally think there is a certain risk that either one might lose money - the 430 was quite a bit cheaper not that long ago. If more 488s come to market, then I suspect it will push the 458 down a little, which in turn might push down the 430.
I think a 430 Scuderia is the safer place to put you money and more of an even than either "base" model
I think a 430 Scuderia is the safer place to put you money and more of an even than either "base" model
MDL111 said:
I personally think there is a certain risk that either one might lose money - the 430 was quite a bit cheaper not that long ago. If more 488s come to market, then I suspect it will push the 458 down a little, which in turn might push down the 430.
I think a 430 Scuderia is the safer place to put you money and more of an even than either "base" model
Agree 430 Scuderia is a safer bet but they are circa £200k.I think a 430 Scuderia is the safer place to put you money and more of an even than either "base" model
458 is so much better than a F430 it will always command a premium over F430 which have seen a bigger price increase and therefore IMHO have a greater potential downside come the price correction.
If 488 pushes 458 down that will also push the overpriced F430's down even further
Of the 2 I would go 458 personally if you cant stretch to a scuderia
458 prices can't come down to F430 ones, because as said above it is quite a jump forward in many departments.
I also don't think the pressure on it from the 488 is as significant as it could be as there is quite a bit of "last of the NA V8" aura about it. That could just be my unconscious bias though.
458 is cushioned by F430 prices, which are cushioned by 360 prices. The only way 458s are going to lose £40k in 2 years is if there is another financial crash.
That being said, you should go in expecting to lose money, £10k a year, maybe more, then when you don't it'll be all the sweeter, and you'll enjoy the ownership more because you'll have already written off that money.
I also don't think the pressure on it from the 488 is as significant as it could be as there is quite a bit of "last of the NA V8" aura about it. That could just be my unconscious bias though.
458 is cushioned by F430 prices, which are cushioned by 360 prices. The only way 458s are going to lose £40k in 2 years is if there is another financial crash.
That being said, you should go in expecting to lose money, £10k a year, maybe more, then when you don't it'll be all the sweeter, and you'll enjoy the ownership more because you'll have already written off that money.
Edited by Durzel on Saturday 15th April 01:14
Durzel said:
458 prices can't come down to F430 ones, because as said above it is quite a jump forward in many departments.
I also don't think the pressure on it from the 488 is as significant as it could be as there is quite a bit of "last of the NA V8" aura about it. That could just be my unconscious bias though.
458 is cushioned by F430 prices, which are cushioned by 360 prices. The only way 458s are going to lose £40k in 2 years is if there is another financial crash.
That being said, you should go in expecting to lose money, £10k a year, maybe more, then when you don't it'll be all the sweeter, and you'll enjoy the ownership more because you'll have already written off that money.
can't ague with that, as the RRP continues to skyrocket on a new car plus with relatively high inflation at the moment can't see price coming down significantly without global financial meltdownI also don't think the pressure on it from the 488 is as significant as it could be as there is quite a bit of "last of the NA V8" aura about it. That could just be my unconscious bias though.
458 is cushioned by F430 prices, which are cushioned by 360 prices. The only way 458s are going to lose £40k in 2 years is if there is another financial crash.
That being said, you should go in expecting to lose money, £10k a year, maybe more, then when you don't it'll be all the sweeter, and you'll enjoy the ownership more because you'll have already written off that money.
Edited by Durzel on Saturday 15th April 01:14
I bought a 458 a few weeks ago and also have a GT3 RS, all I can say is that I am amazed how sharp the 458 is. In fact I'm shocked as I always thought that Ferrari's we're all show no go.
The 458 is a big step in front of the 430 and if you drove them back to back you would think there was more years between them.
Drive the 458 in race mode and you wont stop grinning.
Pocty
The 458 is a big step in front of the 430 and if you drove them back to back you would think there was more years between them.
Drive the 458 in race mode and you wont stop grinning.
Pocty
Maybe I'm being stupid or naive but I was looking at a 458 recently (in Switzerland) price was 115kGBP , 2011, 30k km.(F Dealer) A 430 from 2008 is 75kGBP with about 40k km and a 360 is on average 50k GBP. 488 are starting at 185k GBP. Remember Switzerland has a different market dynamic than in UK when it comes to such cars.
For me there isn't room for 430 to stay where they are price wise in the next 3 years as the 488 willl drop to 458 "upper levels" today putting pressure on 458 and moving down. I cannot see someone paying 75k for a 430 in 2 or 3 years when a 458 is only a bit more. My Ferrari dealer said I should account for a min depreciation of about 25kGBP on the 458 over the next 2 to 3 years (not taking into account dealer margin. And these prices are today already 30% cheaper than in UK for the same car. It must be a bubble stretched v. thin?
For me there isn't room for 430 to stay where they are price wise in the next 3 years as the 488 willl drop to 458 "upper levels" today putting pressure on 458 and moving down. I cannot see someone paying 75k for a 430 in 2 or 3 years when a 458 is only a bit more. My Ferrari dealer said I should account for a min depreciation of about 25kGBP on the 458 over the next 2 to 3 years (not taking into account dealer margin. And these prices are today already 30% cheaper than in UK for the same car. It must be a bubble stretched v. thin?
Edited by Carmo99 on Sunday 16th April 11:23
Unless you feel that you will wish to move it on or may need to move it on within a couple of years, I'd personally worry a bit less about the financial side and depreciation. As said above, if you count in some depreciation and then don't suffer it happy days. You won't make money out of it (anymore, unlike manual F430's up to recently or maybe Scuds).
I had an F430 Spider for 5 years and loved it but the 458 feels two generations ahead. I had those five blissful years and many happy times with the F430 but honestly I think the 458 may be peak car despite my love of the F430. I'm thinking about a 488 Spider but having driven them a lot, the 488 is only half a generation ahead of the 458, if that, and loses sound and rev range over the 458, which isn't exactly wanting so the extra ballistic missile effect isn't something which really matters that much. I will say this though, the 488 is in my opinion a better track car, having tracked both, including at Fiorano with the 488. However, I suspect that tracking it will not be high on your agenda if it is a big financial outlay and you are afraid, like I am, of binning it (I still hear the words of the Javelin track day guy at Anglesea when he looked at my car which I brought there within the first week of ownership and said "Oh yeah, we've had all sorts of exotica towed out of here as scrap").
So if you decide to go for the F430, don't worry, it's a wonderful car. You will never feel short changed driving it. If you can go to the 458, unless you can go Speciale, you may be at peak car. Ever. So do it. You only live once and you won't die thinking - I wish I hadn't bought that 458. Buy a track slag as well too if you need that itch scratched. Which is why I bought an M3 to do daily and track slagging.
With all due respect to Lambo and Mac owners - I count the 458 above the Huracan and the 12C (road and track in each case) although I admit I haven't driven any of their more modern gear. However, turbo. What can I say. This is just my opinion and I emphasise that there is absolutely no "wrong" answer here if you prefer a Huracan or a Mac.
I had an F430 Spider for 5 years and loved it but the 458 feels two generations ahead. I had those five blissful years and many happy times with the F430 but honestly I think the 458 may be peak car despite my love of the F430. I'm thinking about a 488 Spider but having driven them a lot, the 488 is only half a generation ahead of the 458, if that, and loses sound and rev range over the 458, which isn't exactly wanting so the extra ballistic missile effect isn't something which really matters that much. I will say this though, the 488 is in my opinion a better track car, having tracked both, including at Fiorano with the 488. However, I suspect that tracking it will not be high on your agenda if it is a big financial outlay and you are afraid, like I am, of binning it (I still hear the words of the Javelin track day guy at Anglesea when he looked at my car which I brought there within the first week of ownership and said "Oh yeah, we've had all sorts of exotica towed out of here as scrap").
So if you decide to go for the F430, don't worry, it's a wonderful car. You will never feel short changed driving it. If you can go to the 458, unless you can go Speciale, you may be at peak car. Ever. So do it. You only live once and you won't die thinking - I wish I hadn't bought that 458. Buy a track slag as well too if you need that itch scratched. Which is why I bought an M3 to do daily and track slagging.
With all due respect to Lambo and Mac owners - I count the 458 above the Huracan and the 12C (road and track in each case) although I admit I haven't driven any of their more modern gear. However, turbo. What can I say. This is just my opinion and I emphasise that there is absolutely no "wrong" answer here if you prefer a Huracan or a Mac.
Edited by MingtheMerciless on Sunday 16th April 18:01
Edited by MingtheMerciless on Sunday 16th April 18:02
IMO you'd be mad to get a F430 if you could afford a 458. The 458 is a far far better car, seriously. That being said the 430 still has 100% of the Ferrari drama re looks and noise, so well worth buying if that's what your budget limits you to and you want to scratch the Ferrari itch.
I've just bought an 2008 F430 spider from a Ferrari dealer and I was contemplating the 458 spider.
This one was immaculate and only 10k miles. The 458 was 80k more, so I thought it's got to be a good entry into Ferrari. (I have GT3's GT3RS) and I have to admit....I LOVE IT!!
It feels old in comparison to the Porsches but that's the appeal......getting that gear change perfect is so satisfying and the noise is just amazing too.
It's a great cruiser and very comfortable and with the roof down it's just puts a smile on your face.
I'm sure both cars are amazing.....after all it's a Ferrari and that just makes you grin☺️☺️
This one was immaculate and only 10k miles. The 458 was 80k more, so I thought it's got to be a good entry into Ferrari. (I have GT3's GT3RS) and I have to admit....I LOVE IT!!
It feels old in comparison to the Porsches but that's the appeal......getting that gear change perfect is so satisfying and the noise is just amazing too.
It's a great cruiser and very comfortable and with the roof down it's just puts a smile on your face.
I'm sure both cars are amazing.....after all it's a Ferrari and that just makes you grin☺️☺️
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