458 Italia

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nwates

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376 posts

191 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Anybody looking at buying one of these ?
Are we close to bottom in depreciation thoughts appreciated .

johnnyreggae

3,001 posts

167 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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nwates said:
Are we close to bottom in depreciation thoughts appreciated .
If you mean will these start appreciating soon then the answer has to be: no

If you mean will these depreciate at the same rate as a new car of similar value then probably: no

Yipper

5,964 posts

97 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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They have been flat to slightly down over the past year. The early models are starting to dip into the £110-150k range. Ferrari Colchester has a nice, low-mileage, 2012 model for £157k.

Durzel

12,461 posts

175 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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With respect that "dip" into the £150k range is up on the year prior.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

177 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Advertised prices have remained fairly flat for ages now but a lot of cars have sat unsold so I'm sure there are deals to be done.

Have they bottomed out - NO. Is a price correction overdue on most Ferrari's - YES

This price bubble cant go on indefinitely so tread with care if entering the market on the peak of a wave

MingtheMerciless

468 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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I bought mine two years ago, having decided that I wasn't going to second guess the market and just wanted to drive. So bear in mind that any time you spend wondering about it is time you aren't driving one.

But I do agree that it seems that prices are quite high - mine has actually gone up in value I think, bizarrely, if you believe advertised prices. Will the price level utterly collapse? I don't think so. But I think people have got used to surprisingly low levels of depreciation on Ferrari's and it would be reasonable to factor at least more normal levels of depreciation in.

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

177 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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MingtheMerciless said:
I bought mine two years ago, having decided that I wasn't going to second guess the market and just wanted to drive. So bear in mind that any time you spend wondering about it is time you aren't driving one.

But I do agree that it seems that prices are quite high - mine has actually gone up in value I think, bizarrely, if you believe advertised prices. Will the price level utterly collapse? I don't think so. But I think people have got used to surprisingly low levels of depreciation on Ferrari's and it would be reasonable to factor at least more normal levels of depreciation in.
Very sensible, well said that man. its easy to get carried away when you have a vested interest in the prices going up.
We are going to see more 488's on the market and the differential to McLarens and Lamborghini prices will at least keep Ferrari prices in check.

You have done well to buy in the right timing cycle. The last 2 Ferrari's I had have both gone up £30k since I sold them irked

WF36

602 posts

165 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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RamboLambo said:
Have they bottomed out - NO. Is a price correction overdue on most Ferrari's - YES
As mentioned on the other 430 thread, its NOT just Ferrari's.

f1ten

2,162 posts

160 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Agreed good times never last.
As the man above says buy to drive not speculate
I remember someone telling me off for buying a 360 in silver and how he had waited t get his perfect spec! 2 years later and having looked at 10 plus cars- I said get a life for god sake ! You only live once just get on and do it

Yipper

5,964 posts

97 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Durzel said:
With respect that "dip" into the £150k range is up on the year prior.
A quick check on Patina (price tracker), with 2500 datapoints, suggests the 458 UK average price has grown roughly +2% in the past 3 years, +8% in the past 1 year, but fallen -6% in the past 6 months, and dipped -2% in the past 1 month.

Prices for the 458 are definitely coming off the boil. Whether that is a Winter lull, or a downtrend caused by 488 pressures, is open to debate. Time will tell.

As above, the OP should just buy one, and worry about prices later. Supercars are for fun, not finance.

nwates

Original Poster:

376 posts

191 months

Wednesday 8th March 2017
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Thanks managed to get out of my 964 Turbo and F355 and BMW CSL a while ago after good gains .
Agree prices are falling in the models that have risen strongly , just did not see the 458 in that catergory .
Appreciate all the comments and will be on the look out for one over the next few months .

andy355

1,343 posts

245 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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458s have been pretty solid for the last couple of years, On spiders Definitely an uptick for low mileage cars vs last year. Not huge but circa 10k. And they are selling I am told

Gap to 488 price, lack of 488 spider availability and possibly last NA cache

Mclarens may be better but they leave me cold. Don't know why

Fuoco

94 posts

171 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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Durzel said:
With respect that "dip" into the £150k range is up on the year prior.
Yes I was just scratching my head! they are definitely up on last year for similar cars. I had been studying the market to buy one and even dealers are less flexible due to shortage of good stock. One major F dealer told me they are having to pay more so can't be flexible on price

911Thrasher

2,573 posts

206 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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RamboLambo said:
Advertised prices have remained fairly flat for ages now but a lot of cars have sat unsold so I'm sure there are deals to be done.

Have they bottomed out - NO. Is a price correction overdue on most Ferrari's - YES

This price bubble cant go on indefinitely so tread with care if entering the market on the peak of a wave
same can be said about MacLaren and their push buggies am sure ahahahah

RamboLambo

4,843 posts

177 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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911Thrasher said:
same can be said about MacLaren and their push buggies am sure ahahahah
Could being the operative word but in reality they have not seen the price hikes that Ferraris have enjoyed. Quite the opposite the depreciation was severe from day 1 with the MP4 12c launch debacle so there was an OVERreaction downwards.

As can be seen from early MP4 12C prices now they have bottomed out and bouncing back.

With new aspirational product still coming, like 720S the brand and demand for their cars is growing rapidly and early 12c/650S production is obviously now capped.
On this forum alone the number of buyers of 12C/650 has increased dramatically in the last 24 months

I'm sure I don't need to give you an economics lesson on over demand versus limited supply so IMHO early McLaren prices could buck the market trend and actually increase. Certainly wont tumble though


Edited by RamboLambo on Friday 10th March 16:58

Durzel

12,461 posts

175 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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wink

red_duke

800 posts

188 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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Excellent. But you forgot

IMHO

I think he has a special key on his keyboard with that written on it.

Mike Brown

585 posts

194 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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I think they are way over priced, the difference between a new 488 and the asking price of these cars does not add up to my mind.

icebite78

290 posts

221 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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Guys just ignore him (rl) he spends more time in the Ferrari forum then the McLaren forum that in itself screams 'help'.
He's Ferrari envy consumes him and it funny to watch but ruins real Ferrari topics.
Mods you should really do something about him but you probably won't.
Anyway back to the Ferrari thread...the 458 is epic and I strongly recommend one 9000rpm NA what's not to like.




AndStilliRise

2,295 posts

123 months

Friday 10th March 2017
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Durzel said:


wink
Quality.