Which F355 conversion would cost more?

Which F355 conversion would cost more?

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dvb247

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270 posts

205 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Done properly, which option would be the cheapest to achieve a RHD manual F355 GTS/Berlinetta? non convertible!!.

Purchasing a LHD manual or or RHD F1 ???

I can see the prices of both cars but have no idea what the conversion cost would be, secondhand parts and savy online parts purchases all valid

Behemoth

2,105 posts

138 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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+1 You'd trash the resale value. The only "done properly" is what came out of the factory

MDL111

7,181 posts

184 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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I assume the F1 to manual conversion is what you should pursue. People are doing it on 575s, I believe cost is 25-30k USD - the advantage of the 355 is that there are plenty of manual cars, so parts availability should be better than for the 575 (or 599, which is what I thought about at some point)

DarrenKMC

204 posts

109 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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I've not knowingly driven an F1>Manual converted car, I have driven a couple of LHD>RHD conversions though and they were both terrible, one done by a very well known Ferrari specialist.
Aside from the conversion itself cars just aren't the same once they've been stripped/refitted to a certain point, especially when refitted with another cars parts, all in my opinion of course.

If you're seriously considering options then a transmission swap makes more sense, won't affect the feel of the car itself and will be relatively easy to reverse the changes should it be desired come resale time.

HardtopManual

2,545 posts

173 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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F1 to manual is going to be easier and cheaper. Fewer parts to change, the parts you need to change are less fragile and the work is less involved.

I've read a couple of writeups of a 355 steering rack change; that job alone would put me off LHD>RHD.

Yipper

5,964 posts

97 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Quite a lot of Ferrari and Lambo owners now starting to convert autos to manual.

Rising prices and rawer performance, of course. But it has suddenly become (relatively) very trendy.

MDL111

7,181 posts

184 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Yipper said:
Quite a lot of Ferrari and Lambo owners now starting to convert autos to manual.

Rising prices and rawer performance, of course. But it has suddenly become (relatively) very trendy.
very true, but they are doing it on cars where very few manual cars are in existence (575, LP-640), not necessarily on cars where there is plenty of choice given the cost of parts & work and the stigma of not being original anylonger is not worth it, if you can just buy a car as it came from the factory

dvb247

Original Poster:

270 posts

205 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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It seems obvious to me that should anyone want a RHD manual F355 but not want to pay the huge premiums, fancies a bit of DIY garage work then surely it's financially viable given the gulf in price from F1 to manual!!

Behemoth

2,105 posts

138 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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MDL111 said:
on cars where there is plenty of choice given the cost of parts & work and the stigma of not being original anylonger is not worth it, if you can just buy a car as it came from the factory
This

dvb247 said:
surely it's financially viable given the gulf in price from F1 to manual!!
It's only financially viable if all the sums add up. Drill a big hole in the original value and they usually don't.

HardtopManual

2,545 posts

173 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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When I buy a car, it never occurs to me to check that the gearbox the one that was installed at the factory. Anyone else?

For a 355, the gearbox itself is, I think, identical between the manual and F1 (although am happy to be corrected). It's just controls that are different, i.e. a lever and shaft vs some mechatronics.

theRossatron

1,028 posts

239 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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HardtopManual said:
When I buy a car, it never occurs to me to check that the gearbox the one that was installed at the factory. Anyone else?

For a 355, the gearbox itself is, I think, identical between the manual and F1 (although am happy to be corrected). It's just controls that are different, i.e. a lever and shaft vs some mechatronics.
Do you mean looking out for a potential f1 to manual swap or the whole "numbers matching" thing?

F1Sean

207 posts

189 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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I've said elsewhere that when I bought my 355 (4 years ago prior to the price spike) I wanted a manual but "settled" for a F1 due to availability at that time.

Now I love it so much I wouldn't look back. I fact I'm not sure I would ever buy a manual one now, if the opportunity presented itself (excluding the fact I don't need another 355 and assuming market values are irrelevant). It's different and that's what I like about it. But each to their own....

Now taking into account values and units built, there were only 74 no. 355 GTS RHD cars built with F1. If the other 73 are either subsequently converted or written off, then I'll have the only one "in the world" (spoken like Clarkson).

That will be a lovely pension pot :-)

HardtopManual

2,545 posts

173 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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theRossatron said:
Do you mean looking out for a potential f1 to manual swap or the whole "numbers matching" thing?
Both. Engine and chassis numbers, yes. Never checked a gearbox number though - I imagine you'd need to have the car on a ramp to see it.

F1Sean

207 posts

189 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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^^^^ Ha ha that made me smile
I'm curious though, how do you know (or think) yours was the final one built?

jdleeso

72 posts

291 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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I have an F1 GTS as well, and love the gear change. It enables you to focus on smooth lines and braking without the worry of changing gear. For one of the first paddle shift cars it works remarkably well.

Agree conversions would take away the originality.


F1Sean

207 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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So that's three of us that have shown our hand....where's the other 71? :-)

TIGA84

5,298 posts

238 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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My old man has one, late 99 T plate. Argento Nurburgring, can't be too many in silver!

100 IAN

1,091 posts

169 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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TIGA84 said:
My old man has one, late 99 T plate. Argento Nurburgring, can't be too many in silver!
na, they're common as muck. I see one every time I open the garage.


TIGA84

5,298 posts

238 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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100 IAN said:
TIGA84 said:
My old man has one, late 99 T plate. Argento Nurburgring, can't be too many in silver!
na, they're common as muck. I see one every time I open the garage.

thumbup

snap!


jdleeso

72 posts

291 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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I don't know but here's mine