360 manual gearboxes

360 manual gearboxes

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555 Paul

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782 posts

156 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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A friend of mine has a Ferrari 360 with a manual gearbox but the gearbox has a whine and a crunch into 5th gear and he is trying to find out if all 360 manual gearboxes are the same?

Are those symptoms common on a 360 gearbox that's covered a few miles and is replacing the gearbox with a 2nd hand unit more cost effective than repair?

Thanks

TonyW360

19 posts

119 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Mine's smooth on all changes, except 1st to 2nd before it's warmed up (is that common? I'm guessing so).

cgt2

7,145 posts

195 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Usually if there is some baulkiness on 360/430 manuals it is down to the cables and having them properly adjusted is an inexpensive and effective solution.

Unfortunately in this case the presence of a whine and graunch suggests something more terminal I'm afraid.

Frrair

1,417 posts

141 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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My F360 manual is smooth and crunch and whine free, first can be a little obstructive for the first few minutes.



mike01606

531 posts

156 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Mine is F1 but no whine and no crunches.

I would be wary of fitting a second hand box unless you could guarantee the quality of it.
It's a lot of labour to pull it out again if it's got a fault.

Personally I'd start by finding a good indie with experience of rebuilding these and have it removed and inspected. My decision what to do next would be based on their advice.
Synchro's are not actually that expensive. It depends what else is wrong.
At least when it's back together it"s a known quantity.

555 Paul

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782 posts

156 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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mike01606 said:
I would be wary of fitting a second hand box unless you could guarantee the quality of it.
It's a lot of labour to pull it out again if it's got a fault.

Personally I'd start by finding a good indie with experience of rebuilding these and have it removed and inspected. My decision what to do next would be based on their advice.
Synchro's are not actually that expensive. It depends what else is wrong.
At least when it's back together it"s a known quantity.
That's been my advice to him so far and I have even suggested changing the oil first because he's only just got the car and we don't know how old the oil is. Sure a replacement box from Ferrari is expensive but repair needn't be. I'll pass this on to him.

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mike01606

531 posts

156 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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Where is he based and if just bought was it a private sale?

MitchT

16,235 posts

216 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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TonyW360 said:
Mine's smooth on all changes, except 1st to 2nd before it's warmed up (is that common? I'm guessing so).
Yes and no. Getting a cold Ferrari into 2nd used to be nigh on impossible, apparently because there was a stronger synchromesh on 2nd requiring the oil to be warmed up and thinned before it would work properly. I read, years ago, that they addressed this from the 355 onwards by including some kind of heating element, but it wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't entirely effective as I've heard that 355s don't like 2nd then they're cold either.

Mike Brown

585 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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I think they all whine a little, they remind me of the old Austin 1100 and minis, whereabouts are you, a good indie would soon ascertain what's up, Mike

Mike Brown

585 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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I think they all whine a little, they remind me of the old Austin 1100 and minis, whereabouts are you, a good indie would soon ascertain what's up, Mike

Mike Brown

585 posts

194 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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I think they all whine a little, they remind me of the old Austin 1100 and minis, whereabouts are you, a good indie would soon ascertain what's up, Mike

lambo_xx

2,199 posts

204 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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Sounds like the syncro is out. Not a major thing to fix. As others have said go to a good indie & get it checked.

Kyodo

733 posts

131 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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Mike Brown said:
I think they all whine a little, they remind me of the old Austin 1100 and minis, whereabouts are you, a good indie would soon ascertain what's up, Mike
Although ours is a F1, I've always believed it to be the same box and ours doesn't whine at all. As said above, find someone in the know and have it diagnosed. The whine may or may not be connected to the crunch.

555 Paul

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782 posts

156 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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mike01606 said:
Where is he based and if just bought was it a private sale?
He lives in Corby and it was a private sale, the seller was honest enough to make him aware of the whine even though he couldn't hear it at the time. I think it only whines in 1 gear, I haven't been out in it yet.

johnnyreggae

3,001 posts

167 months

Saturday 30th April 2016
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Isn't Corby near Ed at Christian Lewis ? Good place to start

555 Paul

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782 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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johnnyreggae said:
Isn't Corby near Ed at Christian Lewis ? Good place to start
Not far at all it seems, it looks like it's about 45 minutes drive from him. Are they recommended? I haven't heard of them before.


Edited by 555 Paul on Sunday 1st May 01:55

mike01606

531 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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555 Paul said:
Not far at all it seems, it looks like it's about 45 minutes drive from him. Are they recommended? I haven't heard of them before.


Edited by 555 Paul on Sunday 1st May 01:55
Ed posts on here as Cerberaherts. Yes...highly recommended.

topless360

2,763 posts

225 months

Sunday 1st May 2016
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My manual 360doesn't whine, 2nd can be tricky to engage when cold but fine after a few minutes.

K50 DEL

9,353 posts

235 months

Friday 13th May 2016
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topless360 said:
My manual 360doesn't whine, 2nd can be tricky to engage when cold but fine after a few minutes.
Same here, no whine at all ever, just a little reluctant 1st-2nd when cold.

f1ten

2,162 posts

160 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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I had an issue with my old 360
I would say high probability it is the d synchro

It's a big job to take the gearbox out as far as I'm aware it was circa 18 hours labour