430 Scuderia & Launch Control...
Discussion
Slickhillsy said:
Am I correct in saying it's the same set up as the standard F430 and if used more than 3 times will lunch my clutch or does the Scuderia have a different / stronger unit?
Having a button marked LC is proving very difficult not to push!
That's what the Ferrari dealer told me when I bought mine - reduces 25% of clutch every application of LC. Gulp!!Having a button marked LC is proving very difficult not to push!
Slickhillsy said:
Am I correct in saying it's the same set up as the standard F430 and if used more than 3 times will lunch my clutch or does the Scuderia have a different / stronger unit?
Having a button marked LC is proving very difficult not to push!
That's what the Ferrari dealer told me when I bought mine - reduces 25% of clutch every application of LC. Gulp!!Having a button marked LC is proving very difficult not to push!
GRBF430F1 said:
Yeah seems a bit daft to have LC on these single clutch cars if that's the effect it has. You would be mad to blow £3000 to burn a Nissan Micra off at the traffic lights
Dual wet clutch cars like 458 you can do it all day long, happy dayz
Maybe it's something to save just as you drop it off at the point of sale! Dual wet clutch cars like 458 you can do it all day long, happy dayz
GRBF430F1 said:
Yeah seems a bit daft to have LC on these single clutch cars if that's the effect it has. You would be mad to blow £3000 to burn a Nissan Micra off at the traffic lights
Dual wet clutch cars like 458 you can do it all day long, happy dayz
Can you? Dual wet clutch cars like 458 you can do it all day long, happy dayz
I wan't paying a lot of attention admittedly but for the first few years didn't using the LC in your GTR void your factory warranties?
That might have been a gearbox weakness but surely it still puts a lot of stress on your drivetrain - clutch included?
Not as bad a a single clutch set up but still not something you could use all the time.
Strangely never been drawn to the LC button in the Scuderia but have enjoyed the occasional excessive wheelspin start.
Cerberaherts said:
They last longer in the scud. Even the later 430's will last more than the paltry few goes you got in the earliest variants. The late cars and the scud uses different gearbox software, utilising a clutch bite-point program called a Torque-transmittability curve.
Sounds good but when you say longer, can you quantify that?kbooker said:
Mark, to eliminate all these typical PH non factual and opinion driven replies and in the interest of factual research, I suggest you act as our official tester, so go try it out then report back your findings....
Good call Kev - I'll offer to go to Paris to collect your car mate and give it a go on the way back... Slickhillsy said:
Sounds good but when you say longer, can you quantify that?
Well, as an example I look after a Scuderia with just over 18k on the clock. His last clutch wear measurement was at 40% and he's carried out 6 launches. His driving pattern consists of all country/motorway a few track days. A car driven a lot in town, reversed uphill, poorly driven would obviously last less no matter how many launches you do. Every time you cycle the ignition, the later cars carry out a "PIS optimisation" which is something that the earlier software versions do not.I don't have a definitive number for how many "safe" launches you could manage out of a clutch as it is subjective to an extrapolation of events unique to each car. You can figure an individual car's prospective wear by looking at several parameters such as the clutch wear degree and overheat time.
Cerberaherts said:
Slickhillsy said:
Sounds good but when you say longer, can you quantify that?
Well, as an example I look after a Scuderia with just over 18k on the clock. His last clutch wear measurement was at 40% and he's carried out 6 launches. His driving pattern consists of all country/motorway a few track days. A car driven a lot in town, reversed uphill, poorly driven would obviously last less no matter how many launches you do. Every time you cycle the ignition, the later cars carry out a "PIS optimisation" which is something that the earlier software versions do not.I don't have a definitive number for how many "safe" launches you could manage out of a clutch as it is subjective to an extrapolation of events unique to each car. You can figure an individual car's prospective wear by looking at several parameters such as the clutch wear degree and overheat time.
m30dus said:
My clutch went on my scud at 9k miles and I'd used the launch control maybe 8-10 times and done three trackdays in that time..
As a relative LC veteran, how much better is LC compared to nailing it yourself and trying to manage throttle, wheelspin etc?I admit I'm not speaking from a rich background of LC experience (I've never used it), but it's always seemed a bit of a gimmick to me and there's hardly any situations I'd see myself using it.
It's impossible to launch the scud without it. It just sounds and feels so mechanically painful as you literally have to keep your foot flat on the throttle and then release the brake. Not using it results in embarrassing moments like this!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQnXValX4E
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAZAvrv40lI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtQnXValX4E
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAZAvrv40lI
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