430 Ball Joints and general suspension issues...

[Slickhillsy]

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

[TISPKJ]

Hi mate, 99.9% sure scud as well, I know it's same on the 599, 430, 360.
If bad knocking or taping noise from front ( like loose top mounting on strut sound) and probably easier to feel the steering won't Center automatically after turning left or right from T junction, you have to help it a bit or a lot if real bad.
Replace with Hills jobbies and should be fine for many years.

[Slickhillsy]

Good advice and thanks for the clarification. I did hear of the Hills swap outs being good, out of interest would this sort of issue be covered under a factory warrenty or seen as consumables?

Thx...

[Johnnyforeigner]

Yes this is an issue for the Scuderia as well. I've just had a service on my relatively low mileage car and had to include a few bits on the front suspension as well.

It wasn't a lot but due th the labour it required helped to make it a bit of a chunky service bill in the end. Make use of that factory cover while you have it.

Edited by Johnnyforeigner on Sunday 26th October 17:17

[johnnyreggae]

Slickhillsy said:

Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen

Sorry but my recollection is that most threads on this issue have suggested a positive outcome to a replacement claim is not at all certain

[TISPKJ]

Each ball joint is £125 approx and you have 2 per corner, fronts seem to wear more than rears for obvious reasons.
So £250 a corner in parts alone, plus fitting etc, get it sorted while / if you can.

[Cerberaherts]

TISPKJ said:

Each ball joint is £125 approx and you have 2 per corner, fronts seem to wear more than rears for obvious reasons.
So £250 a corner in parts alone, plus fitting etc, get it sorted while / if you can.

As above. Budget around 1.5 hours labour per joint at most specialists or up to 3 hours per joint at many dealers, plus bonding material. You would be lucky to get replacements carried out under warranty. It's worth having the car checked properely as track rod ends and lower shock-joints produce the same noise....

[Slickhillsy]

Thanks all for the advice...

[GG33]

I have a feeling that use of non factory parts will invalidate the factory warranty. Worth checking up on. I was thinking of this when the time comes....

[ewolg]

Had the front top and bottom and arms replaced under warranty and the bottom ones went again after 7000 mile (360 Spider). Ferrari refused to change them again so I got Hill engineering ones which were still fine another 13000 miles later when I sold it. The Ferrari ones are rubbish and any other manufacturer would have had a recall and redesign. As soon as some grit gets on to the chromed surface and breaks through, so does moisture and that's that.
So, go for Hill's I'd say!

Edited by ewolg on Tuesday 28th October 08:13

[giggle]

Slickhillsy said:

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

This is why I sold my 430 Scuderia (for 50k less than they are now... oops).

It drove me insane and while it was covered by the factory warranty it was the frequency of the faults returning that ruined my Scud experience.

It starts off as a metal to metal noise that appears to be coming from inside the dash.
I had the suspension arms changed twice top and bottom and the second time within 6 days it was knocking again.

Back in and replaced again.

[Slickhillsy]

giggle said:

Slickhillsy said:

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

I had the suspension arms changed twice top and bottom and the second time within 6 days it was knocking again.

Surely that's more down to poor diagnostics and installation rather than Scud's being bad. New parts and the fault returning in 6 days would say they had missed the root cause...

Out of interest, are there any other weak spots you found on the car?

[neil-f]

Warranty will only be Ferrari parts not Hills.

Ferrari only these days give you the whole arm so more expensive (but not your expense if covered under the warranty)
Hills replacements are the best route as they last.
Also replace the brake caliper pistons with Hills (another known fault is sticking calipers). The Ferrari items rust, Hills are stainless.

[col68]

Lower front damper bolts are another source of rattles.......think there was an updated bolt and revised torque figure for them.

[giggle]

Slickhillsy said:

giggle said:

Slickhillsy said:

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

I had the suspension arms changed twice top and bottom and the second time within 6 days it was knocking again.

Surely that's more down to poor diagnostics and installation rather than Scud's being bad. New parts and the fault returning in 6 days would say they had missed the root cause...

Out of interest, are there any other weak spots you found on the car?

Well apparently it was not poor diagnostics. Im only use Graypaul Nottingham and have done for many years.

My 8K mile scud had nearly 50k of warranty work in just 2000 miles so its fair to say Im not a big fan of the product. I had (all under warranty) new front brake calipers, new ecu, new clock cluster, front and rear PU and front NS wing painted due to poor finish and corrosion, all carbon in engine bay was replaced and the suspension arms changed over and over again.

[Slickhillsy]

giggle said:

Slickhillsy said:

giggle said:

Slickhillsy said:

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

I had the suspension arms changed twice top and bottom and the second time within 6 days it was knocking again.

Surely that's more down to poor diagnostics and installation rather than Scud's being bad. New parts and the fault returning in 6 days would say they had missed the root cause...

Out of interest, are there any other weak spots you found on the car?

Well apparently it was not poor diagnostics. Im only use Graypaul Nottingham and have done for many years.

My 8K mile scud had nearly 50k of warranty work in just 2000 miles so its fair to say Im not
a big fan of the product. I had (all under warranty) new front brake calipers, new ecu, new clock cluster, front and rear PU and front NS wing painted due to poor finish and corrosion, all carbon in engine bay was replaced and the suspension arms changed over and over again.

Holy sh!te that does not sound fun! Unfortunately that definitely sounds like a Friday car, I once had a Ducati like that. Ended up like triggers broom... Awful experience...

[Jappo]

giggle said:

Slickhillsy said:

So, I believe one of the weak spots on the 430 are things as in the title. Does anyone know if this is for the Scuderia as well and if so what are the tell tale signs. Am lucky to have factory cover with my car should the worse happen but am curious what the symptoms are should the worse happen?

Thx in advance...

This is why I sold my 430 Scuderia (for 50k less than they are now... oops).

It drove me insane and while it was covered by the factory warranty it was the frequency of the faults returning that ruined my Scud experience.

It starts off as a metal to metal noise that appears to be coming from inside the dash.
I had the suspension arms changed twice top and bottom and the second time within 6 days it was knocking again.

Back in and replaced again.

Mines the same - been into Meridiens twice now, can't be fixed I'm told.

[red griff roger]

The ball joints are dead easy to replace yourself. See Voicy's site for a good step by step guide. If you are nearby, I have a set of extractors for both upper and lower you are welcome to borrow.

RGR

[Mike Brown]

I have just refreshed my front suspension on my 360, it is so easy to misdiagnose the metallic knocking noises, track rod ends we're causing a fair bit of noise, yet they showed not much in the way of wear, also bottom shock bushes cause harsh bumpy noisy riding when worn,
If you get your car correctly diagnosed the parts will last a long time, mine had done 30k, so not bad, it rides so nice now, worth every penny, Incidentally I totally agree with Cerbieherts that because it says Ferrari above door it does not mean you will get a good job done, mine had just been serviced and mot,d by Ferrari, , Mike

[Mike Brown]

I have just refreshed my front suspension on my 360, it is so easy to misdiagnose the metallic knocking noises, track rod ends we're causing a fair bit of noise, yet they showed not much in the way of wear, also bottom shock bushes cause harsh bumpy noisy riding when worn,
If you get your car correctly diagnosed the parts will last a long time, mine had done 30k, so not bad, it rides so nice now, worth every penny, Incidentally I totally agree with Cerbieherts that because it says Ferrari above door it does not mean you will get a good job done, mine had just been serviced and mot,d by Ferrari, , Mike