458 Spider v Speciale Purchase

[GRBF430F1]

Would you be completely barking mad to buy a new 458 spider now ?

If you could stretch your budget with a £70k balloon in 3 years and get a build slot would a speciale be a safer bet ?
History with CS and Scud suggests yes in my man maths although it may take longer than 3 yrs to bounce back up. If my memory is correct Scud dropped £50k after 3 years before recovering so will speciale be same, better or worse ?

Could a Speciale be a long term pension plan lol

[col68]

1.Yes 2.yes 3.should be better as will be the last normally aspirated version of the series so far and shorter production run.......but I'm biased as I've already applied the man maths to this conundrum

[GRBF430F1]

col68 said:

1.Yes 2.yes 3.should be better as will be the last normally aspirated version of the series so far and shorter production run.......but I'm biased as I've already applied the man maths to this conundrum

I take it you have secured a build slot then. How many are going to be produced worldwide and for the UK and is there room to squeeze a small person in

[andymc]

Will the speciale be available in cabrio guise like the 16M?

[col68]

GRBF430F1 said:

I take it you have secured a build slot then. How many are going to be produced worldwide and for the UK and is there room to squeeze a small person in

Yes , placed deposit in March.....as ever where Ferrari are concerned I have no idea on production numbers......2015 dealer allocations will be limited if production is ending after the first quarter, but again that is only a rumour I heard.

[col68]

andymc said:

Will the speciale be available in cabrio guise like the 16M?

Yes......and the number of cars to be built is rumoured to be 458!......which will make it very rare if true.

[GRBF430F1]

col68 said:

Yes......and the number of cars to be built is rumoured to be 458!......which will make it very rare if true.

Already been told there is no way I could get one. That's going to be an awesome car and investment

[andrew]

GRBF430F1 said:

Already been told there is no way I could get one. That's going to be an awesome car and investment

is that because there are no cars available, or because ferrari don't want you to have one ?

[GRBF430F1]

andrew said:

is that because there are no cars available, or because ferrari don't want you to have one ?

The particular dealer I spoke to would love me to have one but they reckon they already have 5 letters of intent/depositors ahead of me and that they simply won't get that sort of allocation. They didn't want to falsely get my hopes up.

They think the spider is the right car for me but I can't help looking at the man maths of Scuderia/16M versus regular regular F430 coupe/spider and applying it to Speciale/Speciale Spider v regular 458 spider.

Seems the special limited edition cars make far more sense after 3 years. That said I understand the special is actually a "production" model and not a special ?

[boxerTen]

GRBF430F1 said:

andrew said:

is that because there are no cars available, or because ferrari don't want you to have one ?

The particular dealer I spoke to would love me to have one but they reckon they already have 5 letters of intent/depositors ahead of me and that they simply won't get that sort of allocation. They didn't want to falsely get my hopes up.

Do you know when dealers are expecting to get their allocations?

[GRBF430F1]

boxerTen said:

Do you know when dealers are expecting to get their allocations?

We didn't get that specific or far when I was told it was a non starter. By implication and reading between the lines it sounds like year end

[martisracing]

I had to spec my Speciale up on Saturday for a March 15 delivery. I was a bit surprised as I was not expecting to have to do this until October. This could be explained from what I was told by a German dealer that the Coupe Speciale production ends in March 15. Coming to the final few months of production the factory needs to understand what they will be building to prevent over ordering.
Interestingly the UK dealer I have mine on order with still would not be confirm the end of production as March 15 but did say that some people who have recently placed orders may not get cars and would get deposits returned if the factory would not confirm build slots (which rather supports the end of production in March 15). Putting my final spec in now removed the risk for my car. Thank goodness!
The German dealer also said there would be a Spyder Speciale and total volume will be 400 cars world wide and Germany has 30 allocated and these will be all built between October 14 and March 15. He even suggested there may not be a RHD version.
The UK dealer still would not confirm a Spyder Speciale version so this could support the idea that there will not be a UK model. For such a small volume in such a short time scale it would make sense.

Interestingly long term both the UK dealer and the German dealer did not think that a spyder Speciale would be worth more than a coupe Speciale. From rarity it would be worth more but from the whole concept of what a Speciale is about it would not be so desirable. This is based on what has happened with Scuds and 16Ms. Initially 16Ms were worth a lot more but Scuds are starting to slowly catch up.

[johnnyreggae]

That schedule does not tie in at all with current thinking ie March 15 (Geneva) Spider launch & production after Speciale with 458tt launch September 15 (Frankfurt)

The schedule you have been given equated to Spider in Paris October 14 with 458tt at Geneva

If they really are producing alongside the Speciale that could imply there's already a big drop-off in 458 orders to give the capacity

[GRBF430F1]

If history is to repeat itself ala CS and Scuderia how far will speciale drop and over what time period before it bounces back up again.
Scud hit a low point below CS even after about 3 years but now they are almost even steven with scud near to original list price.
Is speciale going to plummet to circa £150 k in 3 years before recovering ?

Whats peoples crystal ball thoughts on the depreciation/appreciation curve on these short and medium term ?

Is the regular 458 N/a V8 residual going to remain strong if the replacement is twin turbo ?

458 Spider suits my needs perfect but I can see the cost of ownership being at least £40k more than speciale over 3 years with no potential upside longer term

Heart says buy spider but head says buy speciale and sadly its not a case of money is no object ( more like drinking champagne on lemonade money )

[martisracing]

The German dealer said exactly that. The Spider Speciale Will be shown at Paris October 14 and stops in March 15(only 400 cars).
The replacement TT 458 would be shown at Geneva 15 with deliveries in Europe middle/end of 15.

[marky1]

GRBF430F1 said:

If history is to repeat itself ala CS and Scuderia how far will speciale drop and over what time period before it bounces back up again.
Scud hit a low point below CS even after about 3 years but now they are almost even steven with scud near to original list price.
Is speciale going to plummet to circa £150 k in 3 years before recovering ?

Whats peoples crystal ball thoughts on the depreciation/appreciation curve on these short and medium term ?

Is the regular 458 N/a V8 residual going to remain strong if the replacement is twin turbo ?

458 Spider suits my needs perfect but I can see the cost of ownership being at least £40k more than speciale over 3 years with no potential upside longer term

Heart says buy spider but head says buy speciale and sadly its not a case of money is no object ( more like drinking champagne on lemonade money )

Scud hit a low point because of credit crunch, the country was on it's knees. I can't see 150k Speciale in 3 years IMO. Should be higher than that. If you can then get the Speciale, if you can't then get the Spyder? Either way we all win, won't have to listen to you banging on about lambo's anymore ;-)