458 Spider v Italia

[GRBF430F1]

Are they worth a £20k premium over an Italia ? Is this the perfect combo of coupe looks and open top motoring or is it a compromise in terms of styling, performance and full ( flat deck ) open top motoring ?

Seriously tempted but interested in others thoughts to convince me one way or tother

[johnnyreggae]

So after just three months with the world's bestest rarestest Lambo you feel the need for a proper red car again ?

[Beaver]

Terrible scuttle shake.
All you need to know.

[BruceC]

Nonsense great car and yes worth the premium - I have owned both.

Track performance almost identical as well

[giggle]

Beaver said:

Terrible scuttle shake.
All you need to know.

http://youtu.be/hIKu7l7XT3s?t=2m15s

[Beaver]

Must have had a loose rear view mirror on the one I drove.

[Beaver]

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/458-italia/435727...

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johnnyreggae said:

So after just three months with the world's bestest rarestest Lambo you feel the need for a proper red car again ?

Not being pedantic but it has been 9 months now and I didn't know that fact. Doesn't surprise me though

Now I've sold the Honda Civic Type R,I do have a suitably sized space in the garage in between the F355GTS and Lambo.

Been looking at adding either a MP4 12C or a 458. At circa £30k less in either coupe or spider form the Mac looks great value but residuals, disposal and overall driving experience is probably not quite as good as the Ferrari

Haven't heard of scuttle shake issues with either spider car but I've only driven the coupe versions to date

[rosino]

Beaver said:

Terrible scuttle shake.
All you need to know.

I think Evo commented on this when they tested it against the 12c & another one. They were surprised by the lack of rigidity of the 458 spider.

[av185]

rosino said:

Beaver said:

Terrible scuttle shake.
All you need to know.

I think Evo commented on this when they tested it against the 12c & another one. They were surprised by the lack of rigidity of the 458 spider.

Ran a 458 Italia last summer over 1500 miles. Drove a 458 Spider back to back with an Aventador Spider (c 1 hour in each) and found both cars had a similar degree of scuttle shake which put me off the cab.

The 458 Italia is such a perfect car in many respects, so why compromise the experience, stump up an extra £20k and get sunburnt in the process. .

[DG27]

Driven all forms and own the 458 spider....its the lower speeds anyway where the Ferrari experience is at its height IMHO so 2000-4000 revs 2/3/4 gear, roof down, sun out there is no better feeling after 5500 miles still feel the same. When the weather is poor you take another car or put the roof up and its less wobbly!

In reality we rarely drive flat out on track, we rarely drive flat out on public roads for more than a few seconds, so why dull the sensation by not having a folding hard top

D

[_Leg_]

DG27 said:

In reality we rarely drive flat out on track, we rarely drive flat out on public roads for more than a few seconds, so why dull the sensation by not having a folding hard top

D

This. There's a thread about buying a Speciale over a Spider running at the moment. Why would you? Need it to be faster for road use? If you think you need to drive faster than a Spider is capable of on the road, then you shouldn't be on the road. For track use? You'll have more fun in a dedicated track car you can push to the limits without fear of ruining your financial life if you bin it. Because it will hold its value better? If you're worried about money, don't buy a modern Ferrari.

As for open top motoring. I do a Euro road trip every year. Drive the Swiss passes and valleys in late August in a coupe and then in a cab and tell me you got as much enjoyment from the coupe. You just wont. There's nothing quite like it to put a smile on your face.

458 Spider is an epic car and one which will be in my collection for the next 2-3 decades (i.e. until I cant get in and out anymore).

Edited by _Leg_ on Wednesday 23 July 11:48

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_Leg_ said:

This. There's a thread about buying a Speciale over a Spider running at the moment. Why would you? Need it to be faster for road use? If you think you need to drive faster than a Spider is capable of on the road, then you shouldn't be on the road. For track use? You'll have more fun in a dedicated track car you can push to the limits without fear of ruining your financial life if you bin it. Because it will hold its value better? If you're worried about money, don't buy a modern Ferrari.

As for open top motoring. I do a Euro road trip every year. Drive the Swiss passes and valleys in late August in a coupe and then in a cab and tell me you got as much enjoyment from the coupe. You just wont. There's nothing quite like it to put a smile on your face.

458 Spider is an epic car and one which will be in my collection for the next 2-3 decades (i.e. until I cant get in and out anymore).

Edited by _Leg_ on Wednesday 23 July 11:48

Agree its an epic car but they lose too much money as there are so many of them. Its taken a while for it to dawn on me but you have to try and get into a limited edition new Ferrari unless you are prepared to lose a fortune over the first 3 years.
Speciale will be ok short term and great long term but there are far too many of the vanilla models.
As special is still a production model the last true limited edition N/a V8 Ferrari and the 16M and Scuderia

That's where my money is going next as soon as I can source a good un

[_Leg_]

GRBF430F1 said:

Agree its an epic car but they lose too much money as there are so many of them. Its taken a while for it to dawn on me but you have to try and get into a limited edition new Ferrari unless you are prepared to lose a fortune over the first 3 years.
Speciale will be ok short term and great long term but there are far too many of the vanilla models.
As special is still a production model the last true limited edition N/a V8 Ferrari and the 16M and Scuderia

That's where my money is going next as soon as I can source a good un

Err, what's money got to do with it? It's a car. If you're worried about money, why are you buying a 200k ferrari?

Cars are for fun, the reward for making money elsewhere. I'll never lose a penny on my cars cos I'll never sell em. They're mine. If depreciation mattered no one would buy any ferraris or other sports/supercars new. Everyone would buy a euro box. What a sad world that would be.

What a strange thing to let depreciation dictate which car you buy. "Ooh I'm quite enjoying this car, not as much as I would a convertible but that £1 I saved whilst I was thinking that has cheered me right up". Does, not, compute.

Be dead soon, you can make more money, you can't make more time, spend it very, very wisely.

[GRBF430F1]

_Leg_ said:

Err, what's money got to do with it? It's a car. If you're worried about money, why are you buying a 200k ferrari?

Cars are for fun, the reward for making money elsewhere. I'll never lose a penny on my cars cos I'll never sell em. They're mine. If depreciation mattered no one would buy any ferraris or other sports/supercars new. Everyone would buy a euro box. What a sad world that would be.

What a strange thing to let depreciation dictate which car you buy. "Ooh I'm quite enjoying this car, not as much as I would a convertible but that £1 I saved whilst I was thinking that has cheered me right up". Does, not, compute.

Be dead soon, you can make more money, you can't make more time, spend it very, very wisely.

Not everyone who wants a supercar has unlimited funds so depreciation is a factor for some people and if only there was a £1 difference. With new 458 spider v 430 Scuderia for example it could easily be £50,000 over 2 years

[av185]

GRBF430F1 said:

_Leg_ said:

Err, what's money got to do with it? It's a car. If you're worried about money, why are you buying a 200k ferrari?

Cars are for fun, the reward for making money elsewhere. I'll never lose a penny on my cars cos I'll never sell em. They're mine. If depreciation mattered no one would buy any ferraris or other sports/supercars new. Everyone would buy a euro box. What a sad world that would be.

What a strange thing to let depreciation dictate which car you buy. "Ooh I'm quite enjoying this car, not as much as I would a convertible but that £1 I saved whilst I was thinking that has cheered me right up". Does, not, compute.

Be dead soon, you can make more money, you can't make more time, spend it very, very wisely.

Not everyone who wants a supercar has unlimited funds so depreciation is a factor for some people and if only there was a £1 difference. With new 458 spider v 430 Scuderia for example it could easily be £50,000 over 2 years

Interesting views.....both are correct in different ways.....but I think nowadays even relatively wealthy individuals (and I am not one btw) are more aware and perhaps more reluctant to suffer huge depreciation on cars such as the more vanilla 458s, Macs and 911 Turbos etc......

I agree the depreciation aspect shouldn't DICTATE which car you buy...but it can enter the buying equation and INFLUENCE your decision.

Hence my decision to buy a new GT3......as a 'half price ' virtual Speciale it made much more sense to me than a little used Italia at a lot more money......

I th

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av185 said:

Interesting views.....both are correct in different ways.....but I think nowadays even relatively wealthy individuals (and I am not one btw) are more aware and perhaps more reluctant to suffer huge depreciation on cars such as the more vanilla 458s, Macs and 911 Turbos etc......

I agree the depreciation aspect shouldn't DICTATE which car you buy...but it can enter the buying equation and INFLUENCE your decision.

Hence my decision to buy a new GT3......as a 'half price ' virtual Speciale it made much more sense to me than a little used Italia at a lot more money......

I th

Good shout. In an ideal world your dream car would appreciate and I think most CS owners would have enjoyed that. I think the Scud will be the more modern classic next where its new enough technology wise, fast enough for public roads and more driveable daily.
No doubt Speciale is even better and even quicker but its a regular production model and will depreciate as all new cars do until it bottoms out ( new model due ), reduces in numbers ( exports & collectors )and eventually bounces back as the last of the N/A V8's all IMHO of course

[andrew]

av185 said:

Interesting views.....both are correct in different ways.....but I think nowadays even relatively wealthy individuals (and I am not one btw) are more aware and perhaps more reluctant to suffer huge depreciation on cars such as the more vanilla 458s, Macs and 911 Turbos etc......

I agree the depreciation aspect shouldn't DICTATE which car you buy...but it can enter the buying equation and INFLUENCE your decision.

Hence my decision to buy a new GT3......as a 'half price ' virtual Speciale it made much more sense to me than a little used Italia at a lot more money......

I th

i think that for most people now, the days of buying what you truly want or need have given way to buying what might cost you the least in depreciation

this applies from supercar buyers buying classics, to mr pcp whose monthly payments hinge on residuals, to our local police force now ordering silver cars

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andrew said:

buying what might cost you the least in depreciation... our local police force now ordering silver cars

Ironically, the cops switched over to silver at around the same time Joe Public started buying white cars.