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New F430 f1 owner thats really gob smacked at owning my first Ferrari !!!
Picked her up from the dealer just over 5 weeks ago having viewed her before agreeing to purchase and doing my detailed research prior to even looking at the 430 i asked the said dealers salesman if the car a 09 plate had had the updated manifolds fitted, in which i was told the problem only existed on the earlier cars and a 09 plate would have had the later updated/modified manifolds fitted at Ferrari so there would be no problem, i accepted this and agreed to purchase the car at a sum very near to £100k, a very strong price for a 430 but i felt confident i was buying from a top dealer and with full 2 year Ferrari warranty, i collected the car the following week and had a few teething problems and since done a fantastic road trip around europe, on my return home, the next day when starting the car from cold i noticed a loud tick noise which disappeared after around 30 sec ish, horror was this the noise associated to the manifold issue i had researched , i informed the dealer of this and more other problems i had with the car, i was told at the time by the salesman that they had not heard of this before!!! mmmmm that strange as the manifold failure issue is all over the net!! anyway the car is collected and i presume inspected by the dealer, a few days later i get the call that went, you were correct both manifolds have failed and the cost of replacement is in the region of £6500 and they are not covered by the warranty but Ferrari have pledged as a good will jester the sum of £3430 and the balance would be payable by me !!!£2225 !!! The dealer has stated that the 2727miles i have covered mostly on my europe trip since picking the car up reflects me paying the £2225 towards the repair !!!, i,m absolutely stunned at even being asked to contribute and i have since taken legal advise and informed the dealer of how upset i feel, i,m awaiting there reply as i write this, Come on guys give me some feedback on this i really could do with a boost ............
Picked her up from the dealer just over 5 weeks ago having viewed her before agreeing to purchase and doing my detailed research prior to even looking at the 430 i asked the said dealers salesman if the car a 09 plate had had the updated manifolds fitted, in which i was told the problem only existed on the earlier cars and a 09 plate would have had the later updated/modified manifolds fitted at Ferrari so there would be no problem, i accepted this and agreed to purchase the car at a sum very near to £100k, a very strong price for a 430 but i felt confident i was buying from a top dealer and with full 2 year Ferrari warranty, i collected the car the following week and had a few teething problems and since done a fantastic road trip around europe, on my return home, the next day when starting the car from cold i noticed a loud tick noise which disappeared after around 30 sec ish, horror was this the noise associated to the manifold issue i had researched , i informed the dealer of this and more other problems i had with the car, i was told at the time by the salesman that they had not heard of this before!!! mmmmm that strange as the manifold failure issue is all over the net!! anyway the car is collected and i presume inspected by the dealer, a few days later i get the call that went, you were correct both manifolds have failed and the cost of replacement is in the region of £6500 and they are not covered by the warranty but Ferrari have pledged as a good will jester the sum of £3430 and the balance would be payable by me !!!£2225 !!! The dealer has stated that the 2727miles i have covered mostly on my europe trip since picking the car up reflects me paying the £2225 towards the repair !!!, i,m absolutely stunned at even being asked to contribute and i have since taken legal advise and informed the dealer of how upset i feel, i,m awaiting there reply as i write this, Come on guys give me some feedback on this i really could do with a boost ............
I'd have thought the Sale of Goods Act applies, faults in first 3 (or is it 6?) months are presumed to have been there at time of sale and therefore the dealer's responsibility to fix unless the dealer can show absolute proof the fault was not present when sold.
Given the situation I'd politely remind them of their obligations, i suspect they'll realise you're not going to roll over and resolve it for you
Given the situation I'd politely remind them of their obligations, i suspect they'll realise you're not going to roll over and resolve it for you
Very sorry to hear you had a manifold problem on such a late production year F430. My manifolds were replaced at 12,000 miles under "good will" by FNE. I've done 13,000 miles over 3.5 years on that set of MK II manifolds and they're holding up well.
How many miles had your F430 done when you bought it?
How many miles had your F430 done when you bought it?
Edited by red_duke on Wednesday 9th July 22:23
mk 2 manifolds didn't solve the problem, merely built better but to similar design so the problem is longer before manifesting. You need Capristo manifolds to sort it. I did this on my 430 a few years ago and i didn't regret it. Costs about £4.5k but you get heat shields (worth it for the reduced stress on other engine components) and a better sound plus more torque everywhere.
I figured that if I was going to do the manifolds, better to get more driving experience for my money. Absolutely fantastic and didn't harm resale, which was completed very quickly through a main dealer.
Doesn't help you now but if the car is a keeper, get Ferrari to give a discount and stick the money towards the Capristo manifolds. Btw, you don't need any other bits, just the manifolds and the support brackets.
I figured that if I was going to do the manifolds, better to get more driving experience for my money. Absolutely fantastic and didn't harm resale, which was completed very quickly through a main dealer.
Doesn't help you now but if the car is a keeper, get Ferrari to give a discount and stick the money towards the Capristo manifolds. Btw, you don't need any other bits, just the manifolds and the support brackets.
After 5 weeks I'd expect the dealer to be at very least apologetic you're having this issue and falling over themselves to resolve it with as little fuss as possible.
As previously mentioned if you'd bought an old nail off a forecourt for £500 with no warranty the dealer still has an obligation to you for three months regardless, never mind a car for 100k.
Disgraceful, I'd demand to speak to the dealer principal.
As previously mentioned if you'd bought an old nail off a forecourt for £500 with no warranty the dealer still has an obligation to you for three months regardless, never mind a car for 100k.
Disgraceful, I'd demand to speak to the dealer principal.
Replacing the manifolds for non-original is the only long term solution. Old type, new type, They will all crack, it's just a matter of when. The original manifolds are rubbish, but Ferrari will never admit it. Despite you dealers protestations, I suspect it would not be the first time he has seen this at all.
as far as i,m aware the car is fitted with the mk1 manifolds but thats irrelevant, before agreeing to the sale i was told it had had the upgrades or later (mk2) manifolds and there wouldn,t be a issue, if i had been blating around silverstone for 2700 miles i would feel better about the situation, apart from that there is evidence that the broken manifold can cause serious engine issues as i know of a guy who i have spoken with where his engine let go 2 weeks after having faulty manifolds replaced, 2 new cylinder heads for him plus the necessary, £20k plus bill as his car came over from hong kong no uk warranty, sometimes in life s
t happens but i,,m not rolling over on this one the car will remain at the dealers until they fore fill there sale agreement.....so much for the special owning a Ferrari feeling !!!!
t happens but i,,m not rolling over on this one the car will remain at the dealers until they fore fill there sale agreement.....so much for the special owning a Ferrari feeling !!!! Has anyone obtained confirmation from Ferrari that fitting of Capristo (or any other aftermarket) manifolds does not invalidate the engine warranty? Mine is still on its original mk1 manifolds at 17k miles and I'm looking at a pre-emptive swap but don't want to invalidate the existing power warranty.
Two full foc warranty replacements in this recent thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Mk 1 vs Mk 2 identifier http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Mk 1 vs Mk 2 identifier http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Just to have an input on this thread.
The OP is a customer and good friend of mine. I look after all of his Race Cars and fun projects auto related.
This is not about the money, i can assure everyone the OP is not scared to spend proper money getting things completed to a very high standard, but this matter is one of principal. I had a conversation with the OP yesterday regards this matter and i back him 100%, it is disgusting that the dealer has even suggested that he should pay ANYTHING towards the cost of repair. In my opinion, and the OP knows this i would have already rejected the car.
I hope the dealer does the right thing, as it is a wonderful F430 and will certainly keep the OP occupied until i convince him to get a 458 ;-)
The OP is a customer and good friend of mine. I look after all of his Race Cars and fun projects auto related.
This is not about the money, i can assure everyone the OP is not scared to spend proper money getting things completed to a very high standard, but this matter is one of principal. I had a conversation with the OP yesterday regards this matter and i back him 100%, it is disgusting that the dealer has even suggested that he should pay ANYTHING towards the cost of repair. In my opinion, and the OP knows this i would have already rejected the car.
I hope the dealer does the right thing, as it is a wonderful F430 and will certainly keep the OP occupied until i convince him to get a 458 ;-)
Cerbieherts said:
Replacing the manifolds for non-original is the only long term solution. Old type, new type, They will all crack, it's just a matter of when. The original manifolds are rubbish, but Ferrari will never admit it. Despite you dealers protestations, I suspect it would not be the first time he has seen this at all.
You're being far too nice - I can say for certain that the dealer will have seen Mk2 manifolds fail!!!OP: My advise, as per lots of others on this thread, is to ditch the OEM manifolds and fit aftermarket ones. Not only will they not fail but you'll get a useful power hike taking the output over 500hp. The Capristo's are best with thier 4-2-1 design but Agency Power/Fabspeed ones are also worth looking at.
They're not that difficult to change either: DIY Manifold Change
So sorry to hear that. It just isn't right.
best thing I would do is probably just take in on the chin, the alternative will be much more stressful and drawn out. Ferrari are not good when you're already a customer. Some of the dealers are nothing short of scoundrels.
You would probably win out in the end, especially as you sought reassurance in the first place re this issue.
What a shame for you. Hopefully in time to come owning the car will compensate you. Sounds like a great trip too.
best thing I would do is probably just take in on the chin, the alternative will be much more stressful and drawn out. Ferrari are not good when you're already a customer. Some of the dealers are nothing short of scoundrels.
You would probably win out in the end, especially as you sought reassurance in the first place re this issue.
What a shame for you. Hopefully in time to come owning the car will compensate you. Sounds like a great trip too.
I had my manifolds replaced in 2010, fully paid for by Ferrari after a year of owning my car. Keep pushing Ferrari know this is an issue. If you do get MkII's fitted a wise small investment would be the Capristo exhaust brackets, these allow a bit of movement of the exhaust system, you should see how much it moves after warmed up, the rigid brackets of the original system don't allow this movement and are suspected to be the cause of the manifold cracking issue.
John.
John.
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