2000 360 Modena F1 engagement from neutral

[Darren E]

Hi, when selecting 1st from neutral on the early F1 gearbox, how quickly should the gearbox engage 1st gear and does this change depending on how warmed up the car is? Reason I ask is that I drove one at the weekend at it was a tad tardy selecting gear at a roundabout after about half a mile and I wondered if this was due to it being cold or an indication of a known issue. Also it went into neutral and started beeping after a short while I traffic, is this normal? Thanks for any advice in advance.

[ZeusF]

Reset the adaption on the car before you go about spending money on diagnostics. To do this remove battery positive lead for twenty minutes and then reconnect. Start car and do not press throttle for at least the first five minutes then drive as normal as see if it's ok or better.

[mike01606]

Darren E said:

Hi, when selecting 1st from neutral on the early F1 gearbox, how quickly should the gearbox engage 1st gear and does this change depending on how warmed up the car is? Reason I ask is that I drove one at the weekend at it was a tad tardy selecting gear at a roundabout after about half a mile and I wondered if this was due to it being cold or an indication of a known issue. Also it went into neutral and started beeping after a short while I traffic, is this normal? Thanks for any advice in advance.

From neutral it will select quickly but it won't sledge hammer it in if you know what in mean.
Going into N in traffic could be normal. If you coast to a standstill and have your foot OFF the brake it will beep and select N after a few seconds. If you have your foot ON the brake it will hold in gear for a few minutes before beeping and selecting N

Beeping could also indicate a fault if it does it with the transmission fault light (a picture of a gearbox). Low pressure amongst other faults will cause it to beep. When you are crawling in traffic you are still using the hydraulics to modulate the clutch.

Was did the owner think?

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

Reset the adaption on the car before you go about spending money on diagnostics. To do this remove battery positive lead for twenty minutes and then reconnect. Start car and do not press throttle for at least the first five minutes then drive as normal as see if it's ok or better.

I don't think there are any adaptions made by the TCU.

In any case, please wait at least 10 seconds with the ingition on before cranking the engine after reconnecting the battery - the motor driven throttle bodies need to perform a re-learn.

Beeping could be a result of overheating (can be checked with an SD2 or similar). Dropping into neutral could be the early signs of a worn clucth - what was the wear estimate at the last service?

[ZeusF]

voicey said:

ZeusF said:

Reset the adaption on the car before you go about spending money on diagnostics. To do this remove battery positive lead for twenty minutes and then reconnect. Start car and do not press throttle for at least the first five minutes then drive as normal as see if it's ok or better.

I don't think there are any adaptions made by the TCU.

In any case, please wait at least 10 seconds with the ingition on before cranking the engine after reconnecting the battery - the motor driven throttle bodies need to perform a re-learn.

Beeping could be a result of overheating (can be checked with an SD2 or similar). Dropping into neutral could be the early signs of a worn clucth - what was the wear estimate at the last service?

The TCU isn't a standalone unit, it interacts.

[voicey]

ZeusF said:

The TCU isn't a standalone unit, it interacts.

I'm not being argumentative but what does it interact with in order to adapt? As far as I know, the only adaptions made by the 360 are to the length of time the fuel injectors are open for.

[Cerbieherts]

ZeusF said:

The TCU isn't a standalone unit, it interacts.

Switching off the battery does nothing but delete the fuel adaptions in the motronic units. No adaptions are made by the TCU for clutch adjustment. When you change a clutch you enter new clutch thickness and PIS. You are thinking of later cars that have DEIS.

To the OP; you would need the car to be hooked up to an SD2 diagnostic machine to see why it's so slow, there are many reasons for this to occur.

[Darren E]

Thanks for the replies / advice. Clutch is 46% worn. I have found a Ferrari manual online for a 2000 model car and it appears they the car goes onto neutral after 4 seconds if stationary and beeps. Someone in the know has told me this was standard on the early cars. Bit annoying!

The car is having a service and belt change this week so will ask for it to be put on the diagnostic machine for the slow to engage symptom.