458 v 488 market
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Buying a 458 from a dealer will do little to get favours for an 812.
If you want an 812 then just buy one now? There’s a few for sale .
And I’m not seeing any 458/ from Ferrari dealers for £140k. Cheapest I can see is £150k. You’d be mental to buy that one in the hope it might help with an 812, your better building said relationship by servicing your car with your local dealer and getting friendly that way.
My car is £20k cheaper than the cheapest dealer car.
If you want an 812 then just buy one now? There’s a few for sale .
And I’m not seeing any 458/ from Ferrari dealers for £140k. Cheapest I can see is £150k. You’d be mental to buy that one in the hope it might help with an 812, your better building said relationship by servicing your car with your local dealer and getting friendly that way.
My car is £20k cheaper than the cheapest dealer car.
I think it means that if you can't find something for sale currently in your ideal spec, dealers can usually source something close to meeting your wish-list either through stock they know is coming in soon or by having a conversation with clients to tempt them out of their current cars.
Although I would say that a good private sale where you can get a true sense of the owner and complete transparency with the history is better than some less desirable examples which are being advertised by independents which can sometimes be unscrupulous. I went to view a car from an independent that was described in immaculate condition but had a big chunk taken out of the leading edge of the wing mirror that they acted surprised to see. I've attached a photo below.
FYI these two are on the older side but are being advertised around £130k from main dealers
Although I would say that a good private sale where you can get a true sense of the owner and complete transparency with the history is better than some less desirable examples which are being advertised by independents which can sometimes be unscrupulous. I went to view a car from an independent that was described in immaculate condition but had a big chunk taken out of the leading edge of the wing mirror that they acted surprised to see. I've attached a photo below.
FYI these two are on the older side but are being advertised around £130k from main dealers
Indeed. In truth I personally happen to think that Silver & Bordeaux looks fantastic.
The bottom line is that prices are falling because well #Life.
Carbon trim is pretty much worthless apart from the steering wheel and seats are just personally preference. The market is moving into a tricky period, just the cyclical nature of the game.
The bottom line is that prices are falling because well #Life.
Carbon trim is pretty much worthless apart from the steering wheel and seats are just personally preference. The market is moving into a tricky period, just the cyclical nature of the game.
Me and my mate are watching closely as we're both about at the right time to buy, only the seriously cheap or very best of the best are moving.
Collecting Cars gets a bit of stick on here but it's interesting to watch auctions close unsold. It's obvious which bidders are lily dealers and you can see what they're prepared to bid.
Collecting Cars gets a bit of stick on here but it's interesting to watch auctions close unsold. It's obvious which bidders are lily dealers and you can see what they're prepared to bid.
craig511 said:
Buying a 458 from a dealer will do little to get favours for an 812.
If you want an 812 then just buy one now? There’s a few for sale .
My car is £20k cheaper than the cheapest dealer car.
imagine me getting that gray car, letting the dealer know i will px exchange that one to 812 in 1 year. assuming i will do 5k.If you want an 812 then just buy one now? There’s a few for sale .
My car is £20k cheaper than the cheapest dealer car.
i will get 812 when I itch my 458. you sound salty mate. enjoy your car
Not salty here, just confused.
You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
“ Ferrari has confirmed that they will replace the 812 Superfast in 2024 after closing orders on the 2022 812 Superfast and 812 GTS models in February 2022. This comes as no surprise, as it has been a long-standing suspicion in the automotive industry.”
I suspect you’re annoyed at me because despite the numerous messages from you and “offers” I said no thanks, hence your “salty” comment.
You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
“ Ferrari has confirmed that they will replace the 812 Superfast in 2024 after closing orders on the 2022 812 Superfast and 812 GTS models in February 2022. This comes as no surprise, as it has been a long-standing suspicion in the automotive industry.”
I suspect you’re annoyed at me because despite the numerous messages from you and “offers” I said no thanks, hence your “salty” comment.
cgt2 said:
Buy a car from a main dealer and expect to lose £20k, not £5k. Most will be very clear on managing your expectations on that to avoid tricky conversations in a year.
Just my observations but from watching the auction houses, by the time you take into account of fees dealers are trying to make £10k-ish across a high end (£100k+) car.craig511 said:
Not salty here, just confused.
You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
458 ITCH, I wrote it twice. still dont get it? why so difficult to get this?You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
again about help , how many times should I explain things to you for you to understand.
Imagine me taking your 34k to dealer for px to used 812 vs taking back that gray car. which has better image in dealers perspective?
we get it mate.you have the best car. again i told you this before. just enjoy it lol. not getting a 29k f458 for 130. no one is getting as you can clearly see
keep bragging about your 18 months warranty, how much is it lol. keep using the car, put actually ferrari dealer price, tell people it is just been checked. delusional.
lol just get 812, with this logic i just jump to sf90 why wait ha?
DeejRC said:
Indeed. In truth I personally happen to think that Silver & Bordeaux looks fantastic.
The bottom line is that prices are falling because well #Life.
Carbon trim is pretty much worthless apart from the steering wheel and seats are just personally preference. The market is moving into a tricky period, just the cyclical nature of the game.
Agreed.The bottom line is that prices are falling because well #Life.
Carbon trim is pretty much worthless apart from the steering wheel and seats are just personally preference. The market is moving into a tricky period, just the cyclical nature of the game.
I can see dealer cars hitting 115 by deep Winter.
They just keep falling with no sign of letting up.
m333m444 said:
craig511 said:
Not salty here, just confused.
You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
458 ITCH, I wrote it twice. still dont get it? why so difficult to get this?You can buy an 812 right now. I can’t see how buying a 458 would help you?
As far as I’m aware there is no waiting list for an 812, order book is closed . So how is buying a 458 dealer going to help you?
again about help , how many times should I explain things to you for you to understand.
Imagine me taking your 34k to dealer for px to used 812 vs taking back that gray car. which has better image in dealers perspective?
we get it mate.you have the best car. again i told you this before. just enjoy it lol. not getting a 29k f458 for 130. no one is getting as you can clearly see
keep bragging about your 18 months warranty, how much is it lol. keep using the car, put actually ferrari dealer price, tell people it is just been checked. delusional.
lol just get 812, with this logic i just jump to sf90 why wait ha?
You said “ Imagine me taking your 34k to dealer for px to used 812 vs taking back that gray car. which has better image in dealers perspective? “.
I’m saying what difference does it make? What do you think a dealer will do differently for you in that scenario? They’ll shaft you on the trade in and shaft you on the purchase. That’s just how it is. If you’re not planning on a brand new car and are after a build slot it makes no difference. Only time my “relationship” with my dealer pays off is when it comes to servicing and repairs. They usually cut me a deal.
Dealers buy low and sell high. If you can show me a similar red car , with the same mileage from a dealer then you would have a point. But you can’t. It’s called resale red for a reason.
It’s not called bragging, it’s called selling. Very very few privately or non Ferrari dealer cars come with such a long Ferrari power warranty. That is worth soemthing. You’ll know that when you finally buy one some day.
Just back in from a little drive to Gleneagles. It was awesome. Going to be a great summer.
Anyway, last time you messaged me you were off to view some to buy. How did that go?
In fact, I’ll even do you a favour, I have the number for the buyer for many of the main dealers including Ferrari and lambo etc . I don’t mind giving you his number , you tell him what you are after and he’ll source one for you. Cut out the dealer margin, scratch that ITCH, sell it and then get an 812. There, just saved you a bucket load of cash.
Edited by craig511 on Sunday 9th July 14:48
Just an observer with no vested interest but from other posts i didnt think the ferrari power warranty was worth its weight in paper as there are so many exclusions ????
Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
m333m444 said:
458 ITCH, I wrote it twice. still dont get it? why so difficult to get this?
again about help , how many times should I explain things to you for you to understand.
Imagine me taking your 34k to dealer for px to used 812 vs taking back that gray car. which has better image in dealers perspective?
we get it mate.you have the best car. again i told you this before. just enjoy it lol. not getting a 29k f458 for 130. no one is getting as you can clearly see
keep bragging about your 18 months warranty, how much is it lol. keep using the car, put actually ferrari dealer price, tell people it is just been checked. delusional.
lol just get 812, with this logic i just jump to sf90 why wait ha?
Salty. And illegible.again about help , how many times should I explain things to you for you to understand.
Imagine me taking your 34k to dealer for px to used 812 vs taking back that gray car. which has better image in dealers perspective?
we get it mate.you have the best car. again i told you this before. just enjoy it lol. not getting a 29k f458 for 130. no one is getting as you can clearly see
keep bragging about your 18 months warranty, how much is it lol. keep using the car, put actually ferrari dealer price, tell people it is just been checked. delusional.
lol just get 812, with this logic i just jump to sf90 why wait ha?
Nuttbelle said:
Just an observer with no vested interest but from other posts i didnt think the ferrari power warranty was worth its weight in paper as there are so many exclusions ????
Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
It is what they dont get mate. selling private but still asking dealer price. delusional from my view, salty from their view. Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
m333m444 said:
Nuttbelle said:
Just an observer with no vested interest but from other posts i didnt think the ferrari power warranty was worth its weight in paper as there are so many exclusions ????
Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
It is what they dont get mate. selling private but still asking dealer price. delusional from my view, salty from their view. Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
m333m444 said:
Nuttbelle said:
Just an observer with no vested interest but from other posts i didnt think the ferrari power warranty was worth its weight in paper as there are so many exclusions ????
Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
It is what they dont get mate. selling private but still asking dealer price. delusional from my view, salty from their view. Trade prices on the 2 main dealer examples would be no more than £110k max and they will come with a full 2 years warranty so a private sale needs to be somewhere in the middle.
The original £122k seems a decent shout in a declining market but some owners are not being realistic and recognising market has changed and its a buyers market now
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