Value of FSH vs party history
Discussion
(Part history, not Party history, can’t seem to edit the title)
Assuming a common model of air cooled car, say a 993 or Carrera 3.2…. buyer’s guides seem to point to history as being a big factor.
To my mind, if a 35-40 year old car has been self-serviced for half it’s life but has the past few years as OPC or specialist service covering all the full service items. Then it’s not like it makes the car worthless in my opinion…It’ll affect the value obviously, and like an insurance category you’d assume it will also affect the value when it comes to sell it on - even if it has then been serviced at a specialist.
This is obviously taking into account of condition and a PPI not picking up any issues. Ie. the patchy service history being the concerning factor… just trying to isolate that part and figure out how much difference it would make on value.
Cheers.
Assuming a common model of air cooled car, say a 993 or Carrera 3.2…. buyer’s guides seem to point to history as being a big factor.
To my mind, if a 35-40 year old car has been self-serviced for half it’s life but has the past few years as OPC or specialist service covering all the full service items. Then it’s not like it makes the car worthless in my opinion…It’ll affect the value obviously, and like an insurance category you’d assume it will also affect the value when it comes to sell it on - even if it has then been serviced at a specialist.
This is obviously taking into account of condition and a PPI not picking up any issues. Ie. the patchy service history being the concerning factor… just trying to isolate that part and figure out how much difference it would make on value.
Cheers.
IMO history on old cars is merely a useful addition to the mantra of Condition condition condition.
....for example an OPC history for an air-cooled cars would not be a good thing in my mind; Porsche insisted the air-cooled had to have the same oil as the 9x6 and 9x7 from late 90s? so that would be 0W40, whereas they suddenly changed their minds and now insist it has to be 10W60.
The indys spotted this stupidity from the start and have always used the original oil specs...
The Buyers Guides of which you speak were probably written when the cars were one-generation-back and plentiful in supply.
But if you are buying a car to store away and plan for a value increase, I can't advise as I don't understand such stuff.
....for example an OPC history for an air-cooled cars would not be a good thing in my mind; Porsche insisted the air-cooled had to have the same oil as the 9x6 and 9x7 from late 90s? so that would be 0W40, whereas they suddenly changed their minds and now insist it has to be 10W60.
The indys spotted this stupidity from the start and have always used the original oil specs...
The Buyers Guides of which you speak were probably written when the cars were one-generation-back and plentiful in supply.
But if you are buying a car to store away and plan for a value increase, I can't advise as I don't understand such stuff.
Service history shows a car has not been neglected.
As they hit 20 years old it also shows what jobs that need doing on an older car have been done already, and what will need doing soon, and will help when diagnosing this months issue.
As they hit 30 or 40 years old then sure, that stuff is nice, but the reality is a decent inspection is needed, a full service history without everything ever done documented is next to useless at this age.
It might have been service every 12 months on the dot, but you may need £5k of suspension work, £10k of age related chassis rust and another £15k of engine and gearbox work before you even start to think about getting it looking nice.
Mate had his heart set on a low mileage 993 or 3.2, up his budget £20k, and after 2 years searching ended up with a 145k mile 3.2, but it had all the big jobs done in the last 5 years or so.
You need to be careful with these, some of the nicest looking garages with the most expensive exotica in their showrooms have some of the nicest looking classic 911s that are far from perfect under the skin.
Tread carefully.
As they hit 20 years old it also shows what jobs that need doing on an older car have been done already, and what will need doing soon, and will help when diagnosing this months issue.
As they hit 30 or 40 years old then sure, that stuff is nice, but the reality is a decent inspection is needed, a full service history without everything ever done documented is next to useless at this age.
It might have been service every 12 months on the dot, but you may need £5k of suspension work, £10k of age related chassis rust and another £15k of engine and gearbox work before you even start to think about getting it looking nice.
Mate had his heart set on a low mileage 993 or 3.2, up his budget £20k, and after 2 years searching ended up with a 145k mile 3.2, but it had all the big jobs done in the last 5 years or so.
You need to be careful with these, some of the nicest looking garages with the most expensive exotica in their showrooms have some of the nicest looking classic 911s that are far from perfect under the skin.
Tread carefully.
Thank you, sounds like I’m on the right track then. Condition being the most importance, as in “do you cancel the whole idea of buying that car”.
And then mileage and service history as value adjusters, if it’s been clearly looked after from the PPI / condition check and a fat folder of maintenance receipts. Would rather see that than official stamps in a little book.
Interesting point about the OPC service guidance on the oil.
I remember reading on one of the forums about a visit to an OPC, when the salesman was informed that the buyer was currently driving a 930 his comment was “well let’s see what we can do about getting you into a Porsche then”. Oh dear 🤦🏻♂️
And then mileage and service history as value adjusters, if it’s been clearly looked after from the PPI / condition check and a fat folder of maintenance receipts. Would rather see that than official stamps in a little book.
Interesting point about the OPC service guidance on the oil.
I remember reading on one of the forums about a visit to an OPC, when the salesman was informed that the buyer was currently driving a 930 his comment was “well let’s see what we can do about getting you into a Porsche then”. Oh dear 🤦🏻♂️
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