Resto/Mod Backdating costs...

[GTRene]

this one looks also very good, not a Singer but not bad, I guess it will go for around 250k?

> 1994 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 is one of 267 widebody coupes delivered to the North American market<



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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-porsche-911...

[KittyLitter]

GTRene said:

this one looks also very good, not a Singer but not bad, I guess it will go for around 250k?

> 1994 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 is one of 267 widebody coupes delivered to the North American market<



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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-porsche-911...

The shut lines for once all look good. Some of these restomods show no care with shut lines...how can they not see it?! or do they see it but choose to not see it..... but this one looks very good.

[Slippydiff]

That car was built for Tom Kearns, former head of vehicle styling/styling at Kia Automotive …
It’s a rare non-Anniversary 964 C4 widebody, all original steel body, with the exception of a custom, clay modelled ducktail.
Suffice to say it would have been reassuringly expensive, having been built in San Diego Cali forn i a :

https://rennlist.com/forums/964-forum/1123612-wide...

[Yellow491]

Slippydiff said:

I know the Minger Classics have proven divisive on here (personally I think their attention to detail and build quality is exemplary) and whilst the prices are eye-watering, a look through the cars linked to in the last few pages of this thread, shows just how far the majority of restomods fall short when it comes to fit and finish.
And without casting aspersions, there’s an element of Ron Dennis response to the journalist who said something along the lines of :

“Well it’s no wonder McLaren are so successful, they’re one of the best funded teams in the paddock”

Ron Dennis replied : “You could give our budget to one of the F1 minnows, and they still wouldn’t win a race, let alone an F1 championship title, or numerous Championship titles”.

Arrogant ? Maybe, but probably true.

And I’d suggest the same applies to some of the companies currently producing aircooled 911 restomods.

Rob Dickenson is Singer, and just like Ron Dennis, it’s his OCD level attention to detail and his “Everything matters” ethos, that ensures the product is so beautifully crafted (unlike some of horrendously bodged examples linked to in this thread)

Just corrected this for you slippy

[Yellow491]

Cheib said:

Yellow491 said:

Cheib said:

hmg said:

So many of these Restomods have poor panel fit like this. It would do my swede in.

I would say almost all of them do. Maybe it is very hard to do with backdates ? Don't really see the point in backdates if I am honest. Just buy a good solid T or E and get some engine chassis improvements.

One thing is for sure at the prices that are being charged there's no excuse for the quality of work being produced.

If hotrod/backdate companies had any pride in what they sell or produce,the car in question would not be for sale as it is.
Part of the problem is getting accurate pattern parts,alot of classic parts are shocking fit/inferior quality.
I am trying to find some proper rear lights for my 73,as mine have cracks/faded etc and will only last so long,but porsche classic rear lights are just wrong which is a shame,hunt is on for some nos.

Guessing you’ve already tried Audette Collection ? Not used them but seen good references to them ?

http://www.audettecollection.com/lwb-turn-signal-r...

Thanks,i am aware of them ,but would like to see them, the lenses are made in italy.
Some nos do pop up from time to time.

[Slippydiff]

Yellow491 said:

Slippydiff said:

I know the Minger Classics have proven divisive on here (personally I think their attention to detail and build quality is exemplary) and whilst the prices are eye-watering, a look through the cars linked to in the last few pages of this thread, shows just how far the majority of restomods fall short when it comes to fit and finish.
And without casting aspersions, there’s an element of Ron Dennis response to the journalist who said something along the lines of :

“Well it’s no wonder McLaren are so successful, they’re one of the best funded teams in the paddock”

Ron Dennis replied : “You could give our budget to one of the F1 minnows, and they still wouldn’t win a race, let alone an F1 championship title, or numerous Championship titles”.

Arrogant ? Maybe, but probably true.

And I’d suggest the same applies to some of the companies currently producing aircooled 911 restomods.

Rob Dickenson is Singer, and just like Ron Dennis, it’s his OCD level attention to detail and his “Everything matters” ethos, that ensures the product is so beautifully crafted (unlike some of horrendously bodged examples linked to in this thread)

Just corrected this for you slippy

Git

Hope you’re keeping well Paul ?

[Yellow491]

Slippydiff said:

Yellow491 said:

Slippydiff said:

I know the Minger Classics have proven divisive on here (personally I think their attention to detail and build quality is exemplary) and whilst the prices are eye-watering, a look through the cars linked to in the last few pages of this thread, shows just how far the majority of restomods fall short when it comes to fit and finish.
And without casting aspersions, there’s an element of Ron Dennis response to the journalist who said something along the lines of :

“Well it’s no wonder McLaren are so successful, they’re one of the best funded teams in the paddock”

Ron Dennis replied : “You could give our budget to one of the F1 minnows, and they still wouldn’t win a race, let alone an F1 championship title, or numerous Championship titles”.

Arrogant ? Maybe, but probably true.

And I’d suggest the same applies to some of the companies currently producing aircooled 911 restomods.

Rob Dickenson is Singer, and just like Ron Dennis, it’s his OCD level attention to detail and his “Everything matters” ethos, that ensures the product is so beautifully crafted (unlike some of horrendously bodged examples linked to in this thread)

Just corrected this for you slippy

Git

Hope you’re keeping well Paul ?

All good mate,well i thought it was funny
Good friend has a dls which is quite a car for sure,his comment ,the only car that compares for driving is the 2.8rsr,he should know as he owned mine for nearly 20 years.
Only one company makes a porsche,just because a car has a chassis number does not make it what it is! Singers are the best of the hotrod bunch for sure,but the budget is nuts,as good could be built with the budget.The williams engine is something else,fantastic engineering,but just imagine wrong slotting a half mil engine,eek.

[Ffffaster]

Ffffaster said:

Mintbird said:

Correct.

Almost made reserve.

Cheers. Found it! :-)

Weirdly for CC it doesn't say what it achieved? Anyone know what it got to and what the reserve was?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1988-porsche-9...

Ah, found it - EUR 182,000 was the max. I find auctions are a really good indicator of the "general" pulse, though you just need one guy to pay over the odds and everyone's happy.

To be fair, £150,000 is about what I think it's worth too. It is a lovely looking thing though. For me, I'd want to tour, so I'd probably want some aircon and speakers for the odd audio book. :-)

Would love to see a YouTube type review this against a Theon, or similar. I'd be so interested to see what justifies the extra £300,000 for a Theon or even the extra £100,000 for a Rennsport or Paul Stephens.



Does the fact it's based on a 930 vs a 964 make a difference? I.e. the 964 less skittish to drive out of the box?

Edited by Ffffaster on Sunday 23 June 11:10

[GTRene]

Last year 2023 there was also a nice old 911 Restomod, looked simpel, except it had a 600hp engine under the rear bonnet.

Porsche from the 70-tish with a 964 Turbo 3.3 tuned to 600hp, just lovely and a sort of wolf in sheep cloths.

I love the way they planted the charge coolers with extra fans on top etc so you won't need a big Turbo spoilert, love such builds.

[gareth h]

I went down to Pendine on Saturday to watch the Hotrods, this was parked up on the beach, no idea if it’s original or back dated, but it looked lovely.

[Mintbird]

Ffffaster said:

Ffffaster said:

Mintbird said:

Correct.

Almost made reserve.

Cheers. Found it! :-)

Weirdly for CC it doesn't say what it achieved? Anyone know what it got to and what the reserve was?

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1988-porsche-9...

Ah, found it - EUR 182,000 was the max. I find auctions are a really good indicator of the "general" pulse, though you just need one guy to pay over the odds and everyone's happy.

To be fair, £150,000 is about what I think it's worth too. It is a lovely looking thing though. For me, I'd want to tour, so I'd probably want some aircon and speakers for the odd audio book. :-)

Would love to see a YouTube type review this against a Theon, or similar. I'd be so interested to see what justifies the extra £300,000 for a Theon or even the extra £100,000 for a Rennsport or Paul Stephens.



Does the fact it's based on a 930 vs a 964 make a difference? I.e. the 964 less skittish to drive out of the box?

Edited by Ffffaster on Sunday 23 June 11:10

Thanks for the kind words :- )

[KittyLitter]

All 'resto', little 'mod'

1973 RS

https://canfordclassics.co.uk/collections/porsche-...

[Cheib]

KittyLitter said:

All 'resto', little 'mod'

1973 RS

https://canfordclassics.co.uk/collections/porsche-...

That’s failed to sell at least once on Collecting Cars…maybe twice. Bit of history if you do a search on the chassis number.

[KittyLitter]

Cheib said:

That’s failed to sell at least once on Collecting Cars…maybe twice. Bit of history if you do a search on the chassis number.

Oh? wonder why? is it not all it seems?

Seems to be this one which quite a status as 1 of only 3 RHD black in the world.

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/one-...

[freedman]

KittyLitter said:

All 'resto', little 'mod'

1973 RS

https://canfordclassics.co.uk/collections/porsche-...

Why would you put that car on this thread?

[Koln-RS]

Presumably to illustrate the beauty of restoring an historic 911 to original spec.
(although, don’t like the red stickers - look too big)

[Cheib]

KittyLitter said:

Cheib said:

That’s failed to sell at least once on Collecting Cars…maybe twice. Bit of history if you do a search on the chassis number.

Oh? wonder why? is it not all it seems?

Seems to be this one which quite a status as 1 of only 3 RHD black in the world.

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/one-...

I don’t think the “3 Black RHD” car’s makes any difference to the value to be honest…the bright period colours are the ones people want. The fact it was a slant nose at some stage and doesn’t have the matching numbers engine makes much more difference. These cars are all about provenance and history when it comes to values.

Not sure about some of the details in that article are correct either. States it is rare because it has a sunroof, every RHD UK Touring has a sunroof.

It’s also one of the last 500 cars which makes it the least desirable. The first 500 are the ones people get excited about because they were all lightweight steel cars but the reality is that most of the next 500 cars had lightweight steel too….the last 500 cars were made with the same weight panels as the regular production cars of the time..including the “Lightweights” that were in that batch. Nirvana is a “first 500 lightweight” in something like Gulf Blue or Blood Orange.

[IMI A]

freedman said:

KittyLitter said:

All 'resto', little 'mod'

1973 RS

https://canfordclassics.co.uk/collections/porsche-...

Why would you put that car on this thread?

Ha built one of these with my son when he was 10! He did a good job. I've been lucky enough to drive one of these. They're fantastic you'd not believe its a 50 year old car and original RS drives so well. Was a heart stopping moment though when being encouraged by the owner to redline her in 4th and then stepped on the brakes for a third gear corner and there was.................nothing. Thought I was going to bin £500k in my very first air cooled drive








Could not afford an RS so went straight out and bought this beauty.

[IMI A]

My old 9m RS the Yellow Peril. The best 911 I've ever driven. Really miss. 330bhp and 300ft lbs at 7300rpm. What a car and that engine a credit to Colin and 9m. Credit to past owners who built her over time. Basically an RS + clone.

[Mintbird]

Lovely!

Yeah Colin knows his NA engines..