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Slippydiff said:
Not watched it yet, but spotted it a couple of hours ago and it's on my list of jobs to do this evening, but that aside, I presume you're aware how much they cost Julian ???
I thought in the great scheme of things....albeit it silly money, but £380K for one isn't that insane. 
thegreenhell said:
+VAT and a donor car, so it's a half million pound 993.
Or you could just buy an original 993 RS, with enough left over to buy another 993 RS.
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense. Or you could just buy an original 993 RS, with enough left over to buy another 993 RS.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
GT3Manthey said:
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
For the time being maybe, but they've ramped up production fairly significantly over the past couple of years, which ultimately will mean that the waiting list will get smaller, only then will we see whether their residuals hold fast.Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
Slippydiff said:
GT3Manthey said:
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
For the time being maybe, but they've ramped up production fairly significantly over the past couple of years, which ultimately will mean that the waiting list will get smaller, only then will we see whether their residuals hold fast.Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
The difference with Singer over virtually everyone else is that they use bespoke parts you can’t get anywhere else which are of a quality above anything anyone else uses and the body is carbon.
julian987R said:
This is good timing to be released...
Guntherwerks 993: Porsche 911 Restomod - Road Review | Catchpole on Carfection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7US81iYwU7I
maybe this is the way to go for for the OP.
Great video - thanks for the link.Guntherwerks 993: Porsche 911 Restomod - Road Review | Catchpole on Carfection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7US81iYwU7I
maybe this is the way to go for for the OP.
The Gunterwerks 993 - delightful interior, amazing engine but for me the looks are too blobby.
Slippydiff said:
GT3Manthey said:
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
For the time being maybe, but they've ramped up production fairly significantly over the past couple of years, which ultimately will mean that the waiting list will get smaller, only then will we see whether their residuals hold fast.Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
Yellow491 said:
Slippydiff said:
GT3Manthey said:
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
For the time being maybe, but they've ramped up production fairly significantly over the past couple of years, which ultimately will mean that the waiting list will get smaller, only then will we see whether their residuals hold fast.Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
993rsr said:
As soon as Henry said it had 295 section front tyre's stopped watching.
Only the Yanks could make that the whole raison d’être of the car.Sure the modern Porsche GT cars have increased the front tyre width with pretty much every new iteration, but that kind of misses the point that a large part of the aircooled car’s appeal is the lightly laden front axle with what are relatively skinny tyres.
I thought Henry was actually pretty scathing, especially when you compare this review with the one he did on the Singer...
Cheib said:
DLS is made in the UK I think ? Maybe prices will come off but the waiting list is still quite long isn’t it ?
The difference with Singer over virtually everyone else is that they use bespoke parts you can’t get anywhere else which are of a quality above anything anyone else uses and the body is carbon.
Yep, DLS is built in the UK. The difference with Singer over virtually everyone else is that they use bespoke parts you can’t get anywhere else which are of a quality above anything anyone else uses and the body is carbon.
Strictly limited number though (already all sold ?) and a different price point too.
Awaiting Julians’s response to your comments about Singer’s components being bespoke in 5, 4, 3, 2 ...
Yellow491 said:
Goping comes to mind,porsche make the best porsches,others are just hotrods,fun yes,good looking most are not.
Gopping Paul ? That would be the Guntherwerks Speedster ... :https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jlx3fgMu3Yc
Slippydiff said:
Not watched it yet, but spotted it a couple of hours ago and it's on my list of jobs to do this evening, but that aside, I presume you're aware how much they cost Julian ???
As far as I know, they're already all sold, but they'll build you a rag top version if your pockets are deep enough.
I think the GW mechanicals are awesome, but the bodywork whilst superb quality, is an epic fail aesthetically.
Now if you were to fit those mechanicals into this :
this :
or this :
or indeed this :
I'd be at the front of the queue.
Maybe this could be fun as well? 993 GT2 Evocation with 3.6 biturbo 500hpAs far as I know, they're already all sold, but they'll build you a rag top version if your pockets are deep enough.
I think the GW mechanicals are awesome, but the bodywork whilst superb quality, is an epic fail aesthetically.
Now if you were to fit those mechanicals into this :
this :
or this :
or indeed this :
I'd be at the front of the queue.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
993rsr said:
Yellow491 said:
Slippydiff said:
GT3Manthey said:
This is where ( unless you are caked) it doesn’t make any sense.
Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
For the time being maybe, but they've ramped up production fairly significantly over the past couple of years, which ultimately will mean that the waiting list will get smaller, only then will we see whether their residuals hold fast.Singer seems the only brand where if you want out you don’t get ironed out .
I just find it odd that the starting point for the car was to give it a “square” track seemingly based on looks….and then give it a package to match those looks in terms of power.
Here’s Henry driving another West Coast car, this time a hot rod…..think he likes it rather more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSLMQFI6lM Utterly ridiculous pricing though
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Cheib said:
He got as close to saying he didn’t like a car as he’s going to. The words “more grip than power” are not associated with cars that are fun to drive at anything Mach 1 which lets face it isn’t realistic.
I just find it odd that the starting point for the car was to give it a “square” track seemingly based on looks….and then give it a package to match those looks in terms of power.
Here’s Henry driving another West Coast car, this time a hot rod…..think he likes it rather more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSLMQFI6lM Utterly ridiculous pricing though
Over £700K, sure it's bespoke, and it looks like it's fun to drive, but $1M US is a p*iss take.I just find it odd that the starting point for the car was to give it a “square” track seemingly based on looks….and then give it a package to match those looks in terms of power.
Here’s Henry driving another West Coast car, this time a hot rod…..think he likes it rather more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSLMQFI6lM Utterly ridiculous pricing though
HC seemed pretty smitten with Theon's effort, less than half the price, and as he says about the 5001 car "when you start mentally speccing your own build, it must be good", so on that basis it sounds like he could see real potential in the Theon too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0v7SAahFSo
Personally I wouldn't "waste" my money on any of them, I'd start with the 964 RS at Ashgood and rebuild it with carbon body panels, lighter seats, lighter wheels, ST carbon brakes, a lightweight exhaust that apes the OE spec (with a Cup pipe and decat) the best 3 way adjustable dampers money can buy along with 993 RS front uprights and coax 360-380hp out of the motor.
If I could get the weight down to sub 1100 kg and keep the interior sufficiently refined so as to be be able to tour in it (rather than just go for thrash early on a Sunday morning) and have change from £225K including the cost of the car, I'd be well chuffed with the end result
Or you could just start with this :
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11428433
and ditch the 4wd transmission and get the benefit of the C4's better brakes AND save yourself £70K into the bargain ...
For £150K all in you could build something very special indeed. None of that backdating nonsense needed either !!
GTRene said:
Slippydiff said:
Not watched it yet, but spotted it a couple of hours ago and it's on my list of jobs to do this evening, but that aside, I presume you're aware how much they cost Julian ???
As far as I know, they're already all sold, but they'll build you a rag top version if your pockets are deep enough.
I think the GW mechanicals are awesome, but the bodywork whilst superb quality, is an epic fail aesthetically.
Now if you were to fit those mechanicals into this :
this :
or this :
or indeed this :
I'd be at the front of the queue.
Maybe this could be fun as well? 993 GT2 Evocation with 3.6 biturbo 500hpAs far as I know, they're already all sold, but they'll build you a rag top version if your pockets are deep enough.
I think the GW mechanicals are awesome, but the bodywork whilst superb quality, is an epic fail aesthetically.
Now if you were to fit those mechanicals into this :
this :
or this :
or indeed this :
I'd be at the front of the queue.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
julian987R said:
I like the paintjob on their Testcar, but everything else on their site is just a copy of Singer, just like Theon and countless others are doing. And because they are all just trying to copy something they've seen to be successful for someone else rather than developing their own style, they all slightly miss the spot with slightly odd proportions and a stance that isn't completely nailed down. Singer put a huge amount of effort into that look and it shows. All these others are cheap knockoffs, except they're not cheap at all.Slippydiff said:
Yellow491 said:
Well yes, but not exactly great for nipping down to Waitrose in for a pint of milk and a paper on a Sunday morning Paul !!,i have been up the road in it.I saw a full carbon Panel on a 964 tub, at my mates place, concept racing, the panel work looked dam good,but it had a mid engine audi v8 in,leave any dsl behind,now thats a hot rod.
Slippydiff said:
Over £700K, sure it's bespoke, and it looks like it's fun to drive, but $1M US is a p*iss take.
HC seemed pretty smitten with Theon's effort, less than half the price, and as he says about the 5001 car "when you start mentally speccing your own build, it must be good", so on that basis it sounds like he could see real potential in the Theon too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0v7SAahFSo
Personally I wouldn't "waste" my money on any of them, I'd start with the 964 RS at Ashgood and rebuild it with carbon body panels, lighter seats, lighter wheels, ST carbon brakes, a lightweight exhaust that apes the OE spec (with a Cup pipe and decat) the best 3 way adjustable dampers money can buy along with 993 RS front uprights and coax 360-380hp out of the motor.
If I could get the weight down to sub 1100 kg and keep the interior sufficiently refined so as to be be able to tour in it (rather than just go for thrash early on a Sunday morning) and have change from £225K including the cost of the car, I'd be well chuffed with the end result
Or you could just start with this :
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11428433
and ditch the 4wd transmission and get the benefit of the C4's better brakes AND save yourself £70K into the bargain ...
For £150K all in you could build something very special indeed. None of that backdating nonsense needed either !!
Totally agree that the price is a piss take.HC seemed pretty smitten with Theon's effort, less than half the price, and as he says about the 5001 car "when you start mentally speccing your own build, it must be good", so on that basis it sounds like he could see real potential in the Theon too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0v7SAahFSo
Personally I wouldn't "waste" my money on any of them, I'd start with the 964 RS at Ashgood and rebuild it with carbon body panels, lighter seats, lighter wheels, ST carbon brakes, a lightweight exhaust that apes the OE spec (with a Cup pipe and decat) the best 3 way adjustable dampers money can buy along with 993 RS front uprights and coax 360-380hp out of the motor.
If I could get the weight down to sub 1100 kg and keep the interior sufficiently refined so as to be be able to tour in it (rather than just go for thrash early on a Sunday morning) and have change from £225K including the cost of the car, I'd be well chuffed with the end result
Or you could just start with this :
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11428433
and ditch the 4wd transmission and get the benefit of the C4's better brakes AND save yourself £70K into the bargain ...
For £150K all in you could build something very special indeed. None of that backdating nonsense needed either !!
I’d do the same as you and find a leggy 964 RS though I don’t think I’d go further than suspension and maybe 300 bhp.
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