Tyres on Panamera 4

[ilovephiladelphia]

Would love hive mind advice please.

Currently have 971 Panny 4 (2017 Gen 2).

Chewed through tyres (P Zero) and need a second set of four in less than 2 years (and 15K miles).

Does anyone run the "silent" Michelin PS - or advise to stick with P Zero?

Been quoted £1600 at local OPC plus £450 for alignment - is this reasonable, or if not any advice on where to get four tyres plus alignment done in the Birmingham area?

Your thoughts would be graciously received as I'd always usually gone to OPC but in the middle of a house move so poorer than I'd like to be.

[cvega]

£450 for alignment? wtaf


onto more constructive feedback, I would look at michelins as they tend to last a bit longer.
Any decent tyre shop will do alignment for probably <200 mark.

Edited by cvega on Tuesday 16th July 12:41

[ilovephiladelphia]

cvega said:

£450 for alignment? wtaf


onto more constructive feedback, I would look at michelins as they tend to last a bit longer.
Any decent tyre shop will do alignment for probably <200 mark.

Edited by cvega on Tuesday 16th July 12:41

I know right? I balked, but given its local OPC and car has had to have a lot of warranty work I just silently gulped.

Thanks for the recommendation - a lot of people online seem to like the Michelins; I just wasn't sure about the acoustic foam they put into the tyres!

[Mosdef]

I've run Pirelli and also Michelins on my Panamera Turbo (2019 - same generation as yours). While the Michelins are more expensive, I think they're worth the money. I find them quieter than the Pirellis and I prefer the general feel of the car too, it just seems a bit grippier. Mine are PS4s and they were fitted by Porsche but I don't believe they have the acoustic foam in them. I'd be really interested to give them a try as the road noise on mine is one of the only negative points about the car for longer journeys. When the surface is good, the noise is absolutely fine but concrete sections (like the northern part of the M25) are really loud.

Out of interest, have you had any trouble from the front suspension on yours? My car is coming up to 60k miles and I know a few parts need replacing, top mounts, sway arms etc, which Porsche wants £4.5k to do!! I've taken it up with the Financial Ombudsman and Porsche have offered a contribution of around half but the problems occurred around 6 months after I bought the car back from my OPC (having sold it to them 4 months prior!!) and warranty doesn't cover these issues.

[ilovephiladelphia]

Mosdef said:

I've run Pirelli and also Michelins on my Panamera Turbo (2019 - same generation as yours). While the Michelins are more expensive, I think they're worth the money. I find them quieter than the Pirellis and I prefer the general feel of the car too, it just seems a bit grippier. Mine are PS4s and they were fitted by Porsche but I don't believe they have the acoustic foam in them. I'd be really interested to give them a try as the road noise on mine is one of the only negative points about the car for longer journeys. When the surface is good, the noise is absolutely fine but concrete sections (like the northern part of the M25) are really loud.

Out of interest, have you had any trouble from the front suspension on yours? My car is coming up to 60k miles and I know a few parts need replacing, top mounts, sway arms etc, which Porsche wants £4.5k to do!! I've taken it up with the Financial Ombudsman and Porsche have offered a contribution of around half but the problems occurred around 6 months after I bought the car back from my OPC (having sold it to them 4 months prior!!) and warranty doesn't cover these issues.

I'm so sorry for having missed this reply!

I haven't had any issues with the suspension whatsoever - I did have a similar issue with a BMW i8 that I owned and took advice from Citizen's Advice who suggested that under the law I can give the dealer one attempt to fix an issue within 12 months after which I can "reject" the car and just pay for "usage". Under six months I can simply reject the car. Given your car comes with the OPC guarantee of essentially being like a new Porsche having gone through their 111 point check I suspect a letter to Porsche GB will fix it (I had a 3 month old Macan in 2015 that had the suspension fail due to water ingress and a letter to Porsche GB got me a whole new car from stock with better specs...).

Good luck!

[Palmball]

Mosdef, what's the issue with your front suspension?

I'm now on my fourth Panamera and whilst I think these are exceptional cars (the best all rounders I've come across IMO), the issues I've had have been very irritating. The first two were faultless - both 971 GTS's (over the course of three years). I then got a Turbo (pre facelift) and that was terrible with;

a) a noisy water pump which I had to fight Reading to get them to replace (acoustic noise...not covered under warranty)

b) an issue with the brake pedal where it had a juddery feel of friction when applying the brakes (PCCB's) lightly, such as coming on and off the pedal in traffic - it felt like pushing the pedal through cornflakes and it squeaked from the master cylinder. I had three dealers look at it over 18 months - Reading, Nottingham and East London and only London properly accepted it wasn't right and replaced most parts on the braking system including pedal, master cylinder numerous times (which is where it felt the issue was), ABS unit etc....it never got fixed

c) creaking front suspension in cold weather only - Reading said it needed control new arms, but they couldn't just fit the arms as Porsche had redesigned some components and therefore I needed to replace both sides....quote £4.5k, and after escalation to the exec team at Porsche UK, I got a 50% contribution.

I never did get that done as I wasn't going to pay for that until I got the brake issue sorted...I ended up giving up and sold it.

Bought a BMW M8 Gran Coupe in January, ran it for 8 months and 7k miles and zero issues.

Great as that car was (business class), it wasn't a Panamera (first class) and in August I bought a facelift Panamera Turbo S. Facelift to make sure I got all the supposed suspension improvements etc...but wow, the sound of the 971.2 V8 is shockingly good given it also has OPF's whereas my previous ones didn't. It broke down on the way home from picking it up, and it's failed twice since....

[S8QUATTRO]

I have a 65 plate previous 970.2 model

Just had front and rear alignment done at kwik fit for £99.00 inc vat

No ADAS calibration / adjustment required. They said if that needed doing its another £170 or £180

[Mosdef]

Palmball said:

Mosdef, what's the issue with your front suspension?

I'm now on my fourth Panamera and whilst I think these are exceptional cars (the best all rounders I've come across IMO), the issues I've had have been very irritating. The first two were faultless - both 971 GTS's (over the course of three years). I then got a Turbo (pre facelift) and that was terrible with;

a) a noisy water pump which I had to fight Reading to get them to replace (acoustic noise...not covered under warranty)

b) an issue with the brake pedal where it had a juddery feel of friction when applying the brakes (PCCB's) lightly, such as coming on and off the pedal in traffic - it felt like pushing the pedal through cornflakes and it squeaked from the master cylinder. I had three dealers look at it over 18 months - Reading, Nottingham and East London and only London properly accepted it wasn't right and replaced most parts on the braking system including pedal, master cylinder numerous times (which is where it felt the issue was), ABS unit etc....it never got fixed

c) creaking front suspension in cold weather only - Reading said it needed control new arms, but they couldn't just fit the arms as Porsche had redesigned some components and therefore I needed to replace both sides....quote £4.5k, and after escalation to the exec team at Porsche UK, I got a 50% contribution.

I never did get that done as I wasn't going to pay for that until I got the brake issue sorted...I ended up giving up and sold it.

Bought a BMW M8 Gran Coupe in January, ran it for 8 months and 7k miles and zero issues.

Great as that car was (business class), it wasn't a Panamera (first class) and in August I bought a facelift Panamera Turbo S. Facelift to make sure I got all the supposed suspension improvements etc...but wow, the sound of the 971.2 V8 is shockingly good given it also has OPF's whereas my previous ones didn't. It broke down on the way home from picking it up, and it's failed twice since....

Hi Palmball, my front suspension problem sounds very similar to yours but the technical bulletin suggested replacement of sway arms, top mounts, control arms etc. It's been with them for 6 weeks now and parts still haven't arrived, albeit it's just a few clips yet to come I hear. I had to get the Financial Ombudsman involved and that finally brought PCGB to their senses and my contribution is pretty minimal, with a similar bill to the one you were quoted.The problem seems to be all over the forums in the USA, where they must sell far more Panameras than they do here. You're absolutely right about Panameras; they're amazing cars but seem to have some in built niggles that are very expensive to fix. For your new one to let you down so many times is beyond ridiculous.

[Mosdef]

ilovephiladelphia said:

Mosdef said:

I've run Pirelli and also Michelins on my Panamera Turbo (2019 - same generation as yours). While the Michelins are more expensive, I think they're worth the money. I find them quieter than the Pirellis and I prefer the general feel of the car too, it just seems a bit grippier. Mine are PS4s and they were fitted by Porsche but I don't believe they have the acoustic foam in them. I'd be really interested to give them a try as the road noise on mine is one of the only negative points about the car for longer journeys. When the surface is good, the noise is absolutely fine but concrete sections (like the northern part of the M25) are really loud.

Out of interest, have you had any trouble from the front suspension on yours? My car is coming up to 60k miles and I know a few parts need replacing, top mounts, sway arms etc, which Porsche wants £4.5k to do!! I've taken it up with the Financial Ombudsman and Porsche have offered a contribution of around half but the problems occurred around 6 months after I bought the car back from my OPC (having sold it to them 4 months prior!!) and warranty doesn't cover these issues.

I'm so sorry for having missed this reply!

I haven't had any issues with the suspension whatsoever - I did have a similar issue with a BMW i8 that I owned and took advice from Citizen's Advice who suggested that under the law I can give the dealer one attempt to fix an issue within 12 months after which I can "reject" the car and just pay for "usage". Under six months I can simply reject the car. Given your car comes with the OPC guarantee of essentially being like a new Porsche having gone through their 111 point check I suspect a letter to Porsche GB will fix it (I had a 3 month old Macan in 2015 that had the suspension fail due to water ingress and a letter to Porsche GB got me a whole new car from stock with better specs...).

Good luck!

No problem at all! I think I've got my problem sorted now but time will tell once I get it back!