Cayenne to a Panamera

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Currently mulling over my next car. Currently in a Mk2 Cayenne E-Hybrid and thinking of a Panamera Sport Turismo E-Hybrid. I just wonder if they will seem too similar performance-wise and wondered if anyone has done the change or have the Pan ST that can offer their opinion.

On paper it seems a fait bit quicker (0-60 in 4.6s, compared to 5.9s) more powerful (410 bhp vs 456 bhp) and electric-only range a potentially useful increase (22 to 31 miles).

Any opinions welcome. I sometimes find myself thinking **** it just get the ST Turbo!

[SmithCorona]

Having recently borrowed a ST e-hybrid, I was very disappointed with the pace, which did not feel anywhere as quick as on paper.

I think the weight of the hybrid gubbins (believe about 200kgs) dulled the experiance, and the ride was firmer than I anticipated, even with the dampers dialled back.

I think it would be prudent to try a selection of the engines to see which one feels best for you.

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SmithCorona said:

Having recently borrowed a ST e-hybrid, I was very disappointed with the pace, which did not feel anywhere as quick as on paper.

I think the weight of the hybrid gubbins (believe about 200kgs) dulled the experiance, and the ride was firmer than I anticipated, even with the dampers dialled back.

I think it would be prudent to try a selection of the engines to see which one feels best for you.

Did you have the driving mode set to Sport?
This is needed to utilise both ICE and the electric motor when you accelerate.

[SmithCorona]

Yep, and sport response. It was strong in the mid range in the right gear, but didn't feel that exciting or engaging.

Depends what you want from a car, but it's certainly not rabid, and felt a bit bloated.

I think the Taycan CT rides and goes better

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SmithCorona said:

Yep, and sport response. It was strong in the mid range in the right gear, but didn't feel that exciting or engaging.

Depends what you want from a car, but it's certainly not rabid, and felt a bit bloated.

I think the Taycan CT rides and goes better

It's only needed for quickish, comfy family transport.

The Taycan is a bit tighter in the rear having compared both with the children in the back.
Also the sheer number of Taycans being dumped onto the used market means while buying used saves a lot of money than new, its still like catching a falling knife!

[Murcielago_Boy]

fflump said:

Currently mulling over my next car. Currently in a Mk2 Cayenne E-Hybrid and thinking of a Panamera Sport Turismo E-Hybrid. I just wonder if they will seem too similar performance-wise and wondered if anyone has done the change or have the Pan ST that can offer their opinion.

On paper it seems a fait bit quicker (0-60 in 4.6s, compared to 5.9s) more powerful (410 bhp vs 456 bhp) and electric-only range a potentially useful increase (22 to 31 miles).

Any opinions welcome. I sometimes find myself thinking **** it just get the ST Turbo!

Couple of things: Panameras disguise their speed like nothing else until you look in shock at speedo. Throttle response in E-power/Hybrid mode is deliberately anaemic too to maximise economy. They feel slower than they are, until you're in a sporty mode or really sink it.

Coming out of an E63 S AMG , I was warned off the base level 4 E-Hybrid and got into the facelift 2022 4S E-Hybrid ST which I thought was a great car with all the speed you could need. And that's where you should really stop. In sport/Sport + the car is plenty quick enough and with the hybrid gubbins you'll get unbelievable MPG. Find a car with PDCC if possible and it handles so well regardless of extra weight hybrid.

Of course, being an idiot, I then ordered the 700hp Turbo S E-Hybrid ST which is totally, utterly, pointless as you never really get to use the performance. Still 700 brake at 50mpg massages the ego...

PS. I really like the Taycan and went shopping for one but am now relieved I didn't order a Turbo S - set aside values etc, the Taycan is not comparable to a long range luxury car like a Panamera - and like all **Current** EV's, compromised as daily-do-it-all. Smaller and cheaper-feeling inside, with a 170 mile range on cold day like today, render it irrelevant to those who need their car to do everything.

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Wednesday 10th January 11:47

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Wednesday 10th January 11:49

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Murcielago_Boy said:

Couple of things: Panameras disguise their speed like nothing else until you look in shock at speedo. Throttle response in E-power/Hybrid mode is deliberately anaemic too to maximise economy. They feel slower than they are, until you're in a sporty mode or really sink it.

Coming out of an E63 S AMG , I was warned off the base level 4 E-Hybrid and got into the facelift 2022 4S E-Hybrid ST which I thought was a great car with all the speed you could need. And that's where you should really stop. In sport/Sport + the car is plenty quick enough and with the hybrid gubbins you'll get unbelievable MPG. Find a car with PDCC if possible and it handles so well regardless of extra weight hybrid.

Of course, being an idiot, I then ordered the 700hp Turbo S E-Hybrid ST which is totally, utterly, pointless as you never really get to use the performance. Still 700 brake at 50mpg massages the ego...

PS. I really like the Taycan and went shopping for one but am now relieved I didn't order a Turbo S - set aside values etc, the Taycan is not comparable to a long range luxury car like a Panamera - and like all **Current** EV's, compromised as daily-do-it-all. Smaller and cheaper-feeling inside, with a 170 mile range on cold day like today, render it irrelevant to those who need their car to do everything.

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Wednesday 10th January 11:47

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Wednesday 10th January 11:49

Thanks that's very helpful.

Luckily I will be coming from a Gen 2 Cayenne E-Hybrid rather than an E63 so am hoping the base E-hybrid is enough. The S hybrid is an interesting option-though may be a bit too new for my budget.