2016 Cayenne S vs Diesel S vs S E Hybrid??

[TonyB76]

Hi all,

New hear but thought to ask this question as been bugging me recently.

I'm on the hunt for a new family SUV and have decided on a 2016 (there or thereabouts) Cayenne, but with legislators falling out of love with Diesel, I'm looking at all options and would appreciate some comments.

I love a bit of punch when I drive, so it's got to be an 'S' model, but not sure in what derivative.

The S petrol is good, but low on second hand choices, with good spec. They are also priced higher.

The Diesel S matches the performance, greater range etc but is a diesel, so when I want to swap it in 3 years, will I suffer a big hit? These are priced lower though

The S E-Hybrid - great for all my local journeys, no road tax etc But is there any reliability issues with a Hybrid? I had a Cayenne 1st series and had every issue they could get so don't want a repeat with a hybrid engine.

My journeys typically are short, on average 6 miles per day, but then I like to drive through France/Italy etc at least few times per year.

So anyone with an E-Hybrid out there, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks, a confused buyer.

[Taffy66]

I have owned a few Cayennes, all bought new and my current e-hybrid one has now just passed its fourth birthday..In a nutshell apart from a couple of coil packs replaced under warranty last spring it has been faultlessly reliable.In fact when i spoke to the head technician at my OPC he mentioned that the new hybrids are the most trouble free cars they service.
When you get into the habit of plugging in at night it becomes second nature.Ours does between 11 and 17 miles on 100% electric power depending on how you drive and ambient temps.Its much more suitable for short stop start journeys as an ICE doesn't like being used in such a fashion.

[TonyB76]

Thanks for the quick response.

That's good to hear regarding the reliability. I've seen a 2017 with 10,000 and under a porsche warranty, that I may have a closer look at.

How does it compare in performance to your previous cayenne's?

Thanks again

[Taffy66]

TonyB76 said:

Thanks for the quick response.

That's good to hear regarding the reliability. I've seen a 2017 with 10,000 and under a porsche warranty, that I may have a closer look at.

How does it compare in performance to your previous cayenne's?

Thanks again

I had a 2012 3L diesel and a 2013 4.2L V8 diesel before the hybrid..In absolute performance terms the V8 diesel is top dog due to the huge torque however when you slam your foot down with both ICE and Electric to overtake i would say both are equally quick as the hybrid makes up for torque with an instant response where the diesel has a bit of lag.
Overall the V8 D is the better car but the hybrid offers other benefits from a taxation and zero local emissions POV.I think the hybrid handles better as by having the heavy battery low down under the boot lowers the CoG and improves the F/R weight distribution.
Mine's on PASM springs and handles better than the Air although Air has other pros such as height adjustment.

[OhThatHurtAbit]

TonyB76 said:

My journeys typically are short, on average 6 miles per day, but then I like to drive through France/Italy etc at least few times per year.

Six-miles a day in any recent Diesel engined car will soon have the Diesel Particulate Filter blocking up and the DPF light coming on. They need a good run each day to get the filter hot enough to clear itself out, so for low-mileage users they really aren't an option. I've run a few S e-Hybrids of the era your looking at and would suit your needs best.

[TonyB76]

Hi all, thanks for the comments.

I've owned BMW diesels (530D's) as a family cars for the past 5 years and never suffered the DPF issue... Maybe my tendency to put my right foot to the floor when I get the chance clear this out.

Hybrid makes a lot of sense to me, and the re sale in 3 years would be better than a diesel I think, but then the premium is £7k approx... so what I save, I pay more for.

Good to know the reliability of both of these is good though as had a 1st generation Cayenne S and suffered from every problem there was.

I'll just wait for the right one to come along and go from there and try not to over think things!

[frozen-in-wiltshire]

I get your dilemma OP - faced similar choice a while back.
Diesel is finished - look at the dealer sales figures - they're falling through the floor
and that means resale in 3 years will have catastrophic depreciation most likely
as an example a friend of mine is buying a BMW 6 series diesel and getting a massive discount off list on it - they can't shift them.

petrol is the way I went meanwhile, and eventually electric when no other choice
hybrids an option but tax perks reduced and service and purchase costs a lot higher so questionable for the moment

go petrol, then go electric, skip hybrids and avoid diesels unless massively discounted is what I am doing

[Phooey]

Diesel isn’t dead quite yet. You’re right about Hybrids though. I don’t the follow Macan market but Cayenne’s (especially 4.2v8d) are very good news. What you need to remember is there isn’t really a good alternative to diesel if you do the mileage and want something that looks half decent. I can’t live with sub-20 mpg.

[champ19ns]

My 2018 February Cayenne Diesel is now valued at £35k according to 99% of dealers out there as PX value!

That’s pretty shocking considering..

Porsche stopping production of Diesel engines has really hit the value of these cars, pretty pissed off now

[Cheib]

champ19ns said:

My 2018 February Cayenne Diesel is now valued at £35k according to 99% of dealers out there as PX value!

That’s pretty shocking considering..

Porsche stopping production of Diesel engines has really hit the value of these cars, pretty pissed off now

It was last of the old shape no ? That’s always going to be a depreciation issue.

My March 17 S Diesel is probably worth less than half of what I paid for it but it’s got 35k miles on it....think I’ll run it for at least another couple of years.

[champ19ns]

Cheib said:

It was last of the old shape no ? That’s always going to be a depreciation issue.

My March 17 S Diesel is probably worth less than half of what I paid for it but it’s got 35k miles on it....think I’ll run it for at least another couple of years.

Yep a Platinum Edition.

I use my car in Congestion Zone and the ULEZ will start to affect (and eventually eradicate) all diesel cars. It’s a matter of time.

Think I’m going to look to move onto a petrol engine sooner rather than later

[Cheib]

champ19ns said:

Cheib said:

It was last of the old shape no ? That’s always going to be a depreciation issue.

My March 17 S Diesel is probably worth less than half of what I paid for it but it’s got 35k miles on it....think I’ll run it for at least another couple of years.

Yep a Platinum Edition.

I use my car in Congestion Zone and the ULEZ will start to affect (and eventually eradicate) all diesel cars. It’s a matter of time.

Think I’m going to look to move onto a petrol engine sooner rather than later

I can understand that if you use the Congestion Zone etc. Personally I am taking the view that I will probably run the Cayenne for at least another two or three years and evaluate what is the right move then....I think for me at that stage we’ll be looking at both of the family/daily driver cars will being electric.

I think the move to electric will really accelerate around then...better infrastructure, more cars available and the economics will start to become compelling as the cost of the cars become much more competitive compared to petrol/diesel.

[champ19ns]

Cheib said:

I can understand that if you use the Congestion Zone etc. Personally I am taking the view that I will probably run the Cayenne for at least another two or three years and evaluate what is the right move then....I think for me at that stage we’ll be looking at both of the family/daily driver cars will being electric.

I think the move to electric will really accelerate around then...better infrastructure, more cars available and the economics will start to become compelling as the cost of the cars become much more competitive compared to petrol/diesel.

That’s a fair evaluation. My PCP deal ends in 2021 so I could hold onto it until then and the balloon would be much more than the value of the car. More options as you say for alternatives than now.

Although the F90 M5 is tempting for a daily!

[chazd]

champ19ns said:

My 2018 February Cayenne Diesel is now valued at £35k according to 99% of dealers out there as PX value!

That’s pretty shocking considering..

Porsche stopping production of Diesel engines has really hit the value of these cars, pretty pissed off now

Platinum edition V8s are pretty rare and only 8 for sale all in the £50k plus bracket, not sure why yours would be worth £15k less?