Porsche Cayenne £38k budget. 3L or 4.2L? Advice please!
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Hi All.
I am about to buy a Cayenne. I've test driven a 3L and found it a little sluggish. I'm test driving a 4.2L tomorrow which I'm sure will be a lot more gutsy. There's a ton more additional items included and the car is much nicer - however, does anyone on here have any advice with regards to running cost differences? Does anyone have any 'true' mpg figures for these two cars? Both 2015 models. Any help on the decision would be very much appreciated before I take the plunge.
For additional info, I'm currently driving an Audi S5 but squeezing ever-growing kids into the back is becoming something of a struggle....! I don't do that many miles a year (around 10k) but the S5's sub-20 mpg rate is painful sometimes!
By the way, I'm aware that going from Audi to Porsche is probably going to cost more but the decision is whether to 'stretch' to the running cost of the 4.2 or be 'safe' and perhaps a little underwhelmed by the 3L whilst being a little more financially sensible...
Thanks in advance!
I am about to buy a Cayenne. I've test driven a 3L and found it a little sluggish. I'm test driving a 4.2L tomorrow which I'm sure will be a lot more gutsy. There's a ton more additional items included and the car is much nicer - however, does anyone on here have any advice with regards to running cost differences? Does anyone have any 'true' mpg figures for these two cars? Both 2015 models. Any help on the decision would be very much appreciated before I take the plunge.
For additional info, I'm currently driving an Audi S5 but squeezing ever-growing kids into the back is becoming something of a struggle....! I don't do that many miles a year (around 10k) but the S5's sub-20 mpg rate is painful sometimes!
By the way, I'm aware that going from Audi to Porsche is probably going to cost more but the decision is whether to 'stretch' to the running cost of the 4.2 or be 'safe' and perhaps a little underwhelmed by the 3L whilst being a little more financially sensible...
Thanks in advance!
Edited by wardy_mk on Thursday 1st November 10:17
wardy_mk said:
Hi All.
I am about to buy a Cayenne. I've test driven a 3L and found it a little sluggish. I'm test driving a 4.2L tomorrow which I'm sure will be a lot more gutsy. There's a ton more additional items included and the car is much nicer - however, does anyone on here have any advice with regards to running cost differences? Does anyone have any 'true' mpg figures for these two cars? Both 2015 models. Any help on the decision would be very much appreciated before I take the plunge.
For additional info, I'm currently driving an Audi S5 but squeezing ever-growing kids into the back is becoming something of a struggle....! I don't do that many miles a year (around 10k) but the S5's sub-20 mpg rate is painful sometimes!
By the way, I'm aware that going from Audi to Porsche is probably going to cost more but the decision is whether to 'stretch' to the running cost of the 4.2 or be 'safe' and perhaps a little underwhelmed by the 3L whilst being a little more financially sensible...
Thanks in advance!
My current daily is a 2011(61 plate) 3.0d which I have owned for approx 5 years. Currently on 117k miles. Overall average mpg is just over 35 but It will easily do over 40 on a relaxed cruise. I don't think it's ever dipped below 30. I did borrow a 4.2 V8d for 2 days and fuel economy was only about 10-15% worse than my V6d. The torque of the V8d is huge. A pre-Adblue car (2016) sounds fantastic - addition of Adblue has muted the V8 rumble. I am about to buy a Cayenne. I've test driven a 3L and found it a little sluggish. I'm test driving a 4.2L tomorrow which I'm sure will be a lot more gutsy. There's a ton more additional items included and the car is much nicer - however, does anyone on here have any advice with regards to running cost differences? Does anyone have any 'true' mpg figures for these two cars? Both 2015 models. Any help on the decision would be very much appreciated before I take the plunge.
For additional info, I'm currently driving an Audi S5 but squeezing ever-growing kids into the back is becoming something of a struggle....! I don't do that many miles a year (around 10k) but the S5's sub-20 mpg rate is painful sometimes!
By the way, I'm aware that going from Audi to Porsche is probably going to cost more but the decision is whether to 'stretch' to the running cost of the 4.2 or be 'safe' and perhaps a little underwhelmed by the 3L whilst being a little more financially sensible...
Thanks in advance!
Edited by wardy_mk on Thursday 1st November 10:17
I actually find the V6d quite quick for only 250hp, although coming from an S5 you'll probably be better off with the V8d.
Warranty. Make sure whatever car you buy has official Porsche warranty. In 5 years and nearly 70k miles I have had - new gearbox. Tailgate struts. Pan roof issues. Lots of electrical faults like Driver memory seats stopped working, Land Change Assist doesn't work, electric windows (driver side) temperamental. Diesel injector leak. And the biggie... engine out at 60k miles to reseal engine block - common fault on V6d. The sealant fails and it's an engine out job to rectify. Incidentally it's currently in at Porsche as we speak with another suspected engine seal failure at 117k miles so just waiting to hear if it's another engine out job, which takes a couple of weeks to repair.
All the above aside I've no regrets buying it as it's a fantastic car (for an SUV) to drive. Warranty issues are always a pain but (touch wood) I have never had a problem with Porsche after-sales, servicing or warranty issues. This is what differentiates Porsche from other brands for eg Land Rover.
eta - with regards to spec. Makes sure whichever model you go for has the upgrade suspension option - either PASM or Air. Full leather makes the cabin a very nice place to sit. BOSE or Burmeister is (IMO) needed. So is reversing camera and park assist. Panoramic roof is nice - also quite essential for resale. DAB, Heated seats, and stuff like Driver memory is also desirable.
Edited by Phooey on Thursday 1st November 10:59
My wife has a Cayenne V6 and you must drive it in Sport all the time. Firstly because it turns off the automatic stop/start which is an absolute pain in the arse and secondly because the throttle then doesn't feel like you are stepping on treacle.
I drove the car down to the south of France in the summer and never once felt it needed to have more power. For reference I drive an M4 Competition pack so I am not exactly adverse to having power.
I drove the car down to the south of France in the summer and never once felt it needed to have more power. For reference I drive an M4 Competition pack so I am not exactly adverse to having power.
Phooey said:
My current daily is a 2011(61 plate) 3.0d which I have owned for approx 5 years. Currently on 117k miles. Overall average mpg is just over 35 but It will easily do over 40 on a relaxed cruise. I don't think it's ever dipped below 30. I did borrow a 4.2 V8d for 2 days and fuel economy was only about 10-15% worse than my V6d. The torque of the V8d is huge. A pre-Adblue car (2016) sounds fantastic - addition of Adblue has muted the V8 rumble.
I actually find the V6d quite quick for only 250hp, although coming from an S5 you'll probably be better off with the V8d.
Warranty. Make sure whatever car you buy has official Porsche warranty. In 5 years and nearly 70k miles I have had - new gearbox. Tailgate struts. Pan roof issues. Lots of electrical faults like Driver memory seats stopped working, Land Change Assist doesn't work, electric windows (driver side) temperamental. Diesel injector leak. And the biggie... engine out at 60k miles to reseal engine block - common fault on V6d. The sealant fails and it's an engine out job to rectify. Incidentally it's currently in at Porsche as we speak with another suspected engine seal failure at 117k miles so just waiting to hear if it's another engine out job, which takes a couple of weeks to repair.
All the above aside I've no regrets buying it as it's a fantastic car (for an SUV) to drive. Warranty issues are always a pain but (touch wood) I have never had a problem with Porsche after-sales, servicing or warranty issues. This is what differentiates Porsche from other brands for eg Land Rover.
eta - with regards to spec. Makes sure whichever model you go for has the upgrade suspension option - either PASM or Air. Full leather makes the cabin a very nice place to sit. BOSE or Burmeister is (IMO) needed. So is reversing camera and park assist. Panoramic roof is nice - also quite essential for resale. DAB, Heated seats, and stuff like Driver memory is also desirable.
That all sounds horrendous to be honest! Touch wood we've done 50,000 miles in my wife's Evoque and just an ABS sensor failed. Now I know the Cayenne is in a different class of vehicle completely but Land Rover always comes last of those reliability surveys. If you'd been paying for that work yourself what sort of bills would you have been into? I have looked at changing the Evoque for a Cayenne a few times but this is quite alarming reading. I actually find the V6d quite quick for only 250hp, although coming from an S5 you'll probably be better off with the V8d.
Warranty. Make sure whatever car you buy has official Porsche warranty. In 5 years and nearly 70k miles I have had - new gearbox. Tailgate struts. Pan roof issues. Lots of electrical faults like Driver memory seats stopped working, Land Change Assist doesn't work, electric windows (driver side) temperamental. Diesel injector leak. And the biggie... engine out at 60k miles to reseal engine block - common fault on V6d. The sealant fails and it's an engine out job to rectify. Incidentally it's currently in at Porsche as we speak with another suspected engine seal failure at 117k miles so just waiting to hear if it's another engine out job, which takes a couple of weeks to repair.
All the above aside I've no regrets buying it as it's a fantastic car (for an SUV) to drive. Warranty issues are always a pain but (touch wood) I have never had a problem with Porsche after-sales, servicing or warranty issues. This is what differentiates Porsche from other brands for eg Land Rover.
eta - with regards to spec. Makes sure whichever model you go for has the upgrade suspension option - either PASM or Air. Full leather makes the cabin a very nice place to sit. BOSE or Burmeister is (IMO) needed. So is reversing camera and park assist. Panoramic roof is nice - also quite essential for resale. DAB, Heated seats, and stuff like Driver memory is also desirable.
Edited by Phooey on Thursday 1st November 10:59
chazd said:
I love my V8 SD. Great pace and massive torque
I can achieve 39mpg on a long run
Agreed. We achieved similar five up with a roof box - can't say that the middle seat passenger enjoyed the long trip though. Overall mpg for the 4,500 miles that I've had it is 30.1mpg. I traded up from a 2013 V6 diesel where we had an average of just over 34mpg. My driving pattern hasn't changed so I would say the relative difference is valid. I find the lovely torque is well worth the mpg penalty - going up the mountains at around 1200-1500rpm was a tad surreal!I can achieve 39mpg on a long run
wardy_mk said:
Thanks very much mate, great info. I'll let you know how I get on after tomorrow's test drive 
Pleasure mate. How did you get on out of interest? I bought a 4.2d yesterday - saw it appear on the Porsche Used Car Locator on Thursday afternoon and put a deposit on it Friday morning. Only bummer is it's an AdBlue model - doesn't sound nowhere near as good as a non-AdBlue but I'd been looking for ages for a specific spec and every time one appears for sale in the spec I want it sells before I get chance to go and look at it. The V8d is a quick seller in the right spec / price. I'm after a set of black SportClassic rims / wheels if anyone has a set for sale?
On my 5th Cayenne, 2 x V8 petrol (18mpg) 3 x 3.0d (34mpg) over the last 14 years. About 250,000mls in total and never anything major at all on any of them. In fact apart from a leaky rear windscreen washer and faulty sensor on the early one, I'm struggling to remember anything else. Oh, coil packs on the 4.5V8.
I test drove the new Cayenne but found a cracking 2018 last of the 3.0 diesels at the local OPC and very happy to snap that one up.
As mentioned - Air suspension, pano roof, Bose, cruise and a good service history and warranty are all you need.
Good luck with your search.
I test drove the new Cayenne but found a cracking 2018 last of the 3.0 diesels at the local OPC and very happy to snap that one up.
As mentioned - Air suspension, pano roof, Bose, cruise and a good service history and warranty are all you need.
Good luck with your search.
Phooey said:
wardy_mk said:
Thanks very much mate, great info. I'll let you know how I get on after tomorrow's test drive
Pleasure mate. How did you get on out of interest? I bought a 4.2d yesterday - saw it appear on the Porsche Used Car Locator on Thursday afternoon and put a deposit on it Friday morning. Only bummer is it's an AdBlue model - doesn't sound nowhere near as good as a non-AdBlue but I'd been looking for ages for a specific spec and every time one appears for sale in the spec I want it sells before I get chance to go and look at it. The V8d is a quick seller in the right spec / price. I'm after a set of black SportClassic rims / wheels if anyone has a set for sale?
Let me know if you come across a couple of sets!
gred said:
On my 5th Cayenne, 2 x V8 petrol (18mpg) 3 x 3.0d (34mpg) over the last 14 years. About 250,000mls in total and never anything major at all on any of them. In fact apart from a leaky rear windscreen washer and faulty sensor on the early one, I'm struggling to remember anything else. Oh, coil packs on the 4.5V8.
I test drove the new Cayenne but found a cracking 2018 last of the 3.0 diesels at the local OPC and very happy to snap that one up.
As mentioned - Air suspension, pano roof, Bose, cruise and a good service history and warranty are all you need.
Good luck with your search.
Thanks everyone. Viewed a 4.2 v8 and whacked a deposit down on it immediately. What a magnificent car! Picking it up this week hopefully! I test drove the new Cayenne but found a cracking 2018 last of the 3.0 diesels at the local OPC and very happy to snap that one up.
As mentioned - Air suspension, pano roof, Bose, cruise and a good service history and warranty are all you need.
Good luck with your search.
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