Panny 4E-Hybrid- not worth running?
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I’ve had a Hybrid Panny loan car for a couple of weeks now whilst my month old Cayman is being repaired under warranty.
The E-Power takes 5 hours to charge up at home and that’s only good for circa 25 miles
The Hybrid system charges up whilst running circa 4 miles and also whilst braking but that’ll only give about half a mile before that runs out and starts to charge again.
IMV Porsche isn’t leading the way on these types of cars.
Just put petrol in the car now it’s not worth faffing about for the small extra free mileage?
What say you?
The E-Power takes 5 hours to charge up at home and that’s only good for circa 25 miles
The Hybrid system charges up whilst running circa 4 miles and also whilst braking but that’ll only give about half a mile before that runs out and starts to charge again.
IMV Porsche isn’t leading the way on these types of cars.
Just put petrol in the car now it’s not worth faffing about for the small extra free mileage?
What say you?
looked into charging E-cars lately, and came to the realisation that 800v EV cars won't charge in any sane time from a 13amp power socket. What you need is a 3-phase 760v power supply (cost £,000's to install at home) and that will do the job in a lot less time.
Electric cars have a fairly simple power/energy/mileage formula - if you can squeeze enough in fast enough, and burn it fast driving, then you have a problem. The solution is to squeeze loads in fast and drive fast - which means high-voltage charging or nothing.
Electric cars have a fairly simple power/energy/mileage formula - if you can squeeze enough in fast enough, and burn it fast driving, then you have a problem. The solution is to squeeze loads in fast and drive fast - which means high-voltage charging or nothing.
I have a 4E-Hybrid sport turismo and as a high rate S/E taxpayer i bought and run it through my business,,With the first year 100% WDA it reduced my tax bill by £35K.plus no annual road tax..I also have a Cayenne se hybrid bought through my business.If you adapt your driving style and charge every opportunity then they are much cheaper to run than conventional petrol versions.
However i drive mine in Sport mode most of the time and the batteries are constantly topped up and it drives like a rocketship..Its a fantastic car IMO and the new three chamber air suspension is truly magical in the way it makes the car handle..It works best with the suspension in the lower Sport Plus mode and the steering wheel mounted rotary dial in Sport mode..Only then does it drive like a Porsche..!
However i drive mine in Sport mode most of the time and the batteries are constantly topped up and it drives like a rocketship..Its a fantastic car IMO and the new three chamber air suspension is truly magical in the way it makes the car handle..It works best with the suspension in the lower Sport Plus mode and the steering wheel mounted rotary dial in Sport mode..Only then does it drive like a Porsche..!
You need a proper home charger which will charge the car much quicker and with less faff (They're government subsidised, so cost nothing or £300 depending where you live)
The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
Phunk said:
You need a proper home charger which will charge the car much quicker and with less faff (They're government subsidised, so cost nothing or £300 depending where you live)
The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
Don't know about the latest generation Panny's and Cayenne's but the prvious gen Cayenne it didn't qualify for the govt subsidy so you're looking at close to £1000. The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
I actually put a deposit down on a dealers demo Cayenne Hybrid on the basis of a test drive and Mrs Cheib thinking we should go green. However, when I looked at it and got some feedback on here unless you're like Taffy and can run it thorugh a company or you say have a 20 mile commute where you can run solely on electricity they really don't make much sense.
I think Hybrid's need something close to 100 mile range on purely battery charging to make them work for most people.
We've got our name down for a Taycan/Mission E but might defer until the Crossover one is available. Given how many cars Tesla can sell at what I think are ludicrous prices for the quality of the product I reckon the Mission E will be a very popular car.
Phunk said:
You need a proper home charger which will charge the car much quicker and with less faff (They're government subsidised, so cost nothing or £300 depending where you live)
The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
I don't think for a lot of these company car TAX saving people they don't bother ever plugging them in.The idea is, you spent 1 second plugging it in every night, you wake up every day will a fully charged battery and a warm(or cooled) car and very rarely have to visit a petrol station
petrol is on expenses TAX free and the car saved £35k in TAX.
The few people I know with them have never seen a socket.
Porsche911R said:
I don't think for a lot of these company car TAX saving people they don't bother ever plugging them in.
petrol is on expenses TAX free and the car saved £35k in TAX.
The few people I know with them have never seen a socket.
Both my Porsche hybrids always leave home with a full charge and always return home with no charge left..As a subconscious habit we plug them in straight when we arrive home..Its just like brushing your teeth daily but i accept a lot of people can't be arsed..petrol is on expenses TAX free and the car saved £35k in TAX.
The few people I know with them have never seen a socket.
I have a Golf GTE now and had a PHEV for 3 years before. When the Golf is up, I will be getting a Porsche hybrid for a daily and I have less than 20 miles commute, it will suit me fine. Company car tax rates on hybrids help a lot and that will be good for me as well but also the back and forth to work on electric is great. Anything to stop the drudgery of actually going to a petrol station
This is really interesting as I am planning of ditching my Tesla for a e-hybrid sometime soon.
I work 8 miles away so should be able to commute pretty much for free which is what I like about my Tesla. But when I need to go further of course I just drive like a normal ICE. I do a lot of long distance trips all over Europe and the UK which I have found my Tesla to be quite wearing to use for. So holding for best of both worlds.
But confused about what happens on the motorway though. Say you are doing 90 does it just drain the battery to zero then you have a underpowered car? Or does it top up the battery so if you need to accelerate all the power is there?
I work 8 miles away so should be able to commute pretty much for free which is what I like about my Tesla. But when I need to go further of course I just drive like a normal ICE. I do a lot of long distance trips all over Europe and the UK which I have found my Tesla to be quite wearing to use for. So holding for best of both worlds.
But confused about what happens on the motorway though. Say you are doing 90 does it just drain the battery to zero then you have a underpowered car? Or does it top up the battery so if you need to accelerate all the power is there?
Guy I know had a Penny 4.8 as his company car. Switched to the Hybrid and saves a fortune on BIK monthly. Something like £700 a month better off. He doesn’t ever use electric mode. It’s just the modern equivalent of the E38 518d, a lower performance tax dodge that gets you into a nice but slightly slower car
A few points just for the record and which may help potential Panamera buyers……
I own a 2015 Panamera E-Hybrid driven mostly in France and Spain. My opinion is that it is a very fine motor, comfortable, excellent suspension and road holding, powerful when required. Having bought it second hand I was advised by a Porsche dealer to drive it “cool” because it is a quite different car from the wholly petrol / diesel engined Panamera. By this he meant me to be somewhat restrained!
What I do! I recharge it at home from a 13 amp point: takes 3.8 - 4 hrs overnight.
It travels about 18 - 20 km (11 - 13 m) from full charge down to about 1/4 charge when the classic engine kicks in. On long journeys I get 6.8 - 8 L / 100 km ( 41 - 35 mpg) and do not recharge at hotels, etc but recharge while en route perhaps twice in a 500 km (300+ m) run and that allows me to use electric power only in towns thus reducing pollution. On short trips of less than 20 km no petrol is used. A full recharge on the move takes between 30 and 50 km (19 and 31 m) depending on the route (country road or motorway).
On motorways I can drive at up to about 130 km / hr (80 mph) on electric power (“cool” driving) above which the engine needs to have a go.
If the batteries are at 1/4 charge that leaves enough enough electric power plus the classic engine to give maximum power when desired. On Spanish roads out in the country where there is no traffic the car really comes into its own using sport mode or going into manual mode: great driving on gently curving roads, good road surfaces and some long straights! Just watch out for tractors!
I own a 2015 Panamera E-Hybrid driven mostly in France and Spain. My opinion is that it is a very fine motor, comfortable, excellent suspension and road holding, powerful when required. Having bought it second hand I was advised by a Porsche dealer to drive it “cool” because it is a quite different car from the wholly petrol / diesel engined Panamera. By this he meant me to be somewhat restrained!
What I do! I recharge it at home from a 13 amp point: takes 3.8 - 4 hrs overnight.
It travels about 18 - 20 km (11 - 13 m) from full charge down to about 1/4 charge when the classic engine kicks in. On long journeys I get 6.8 - 8 L / 100 km ( 41 - 35 mpg) and do not recharge at hotels, etc but recharge while en route perhaps twice in a 500 km (300+ m) run and that allows me to use electric power only in towns thus reducing pollution. On short trips of less than 20 km no petrol is used. A full recharge on the move takes between 30 and 50 km (19 and 31 m) depending on the route (country road or motorway).
On motorways I can drive at up to about 130 km / hr (80 mph) on electric power (“cool” driving) above which the engine needs to have a go.
If the batteries are at 1/4 charge that leaves enough enough electric power plus the classic engine to give maximum power when desired. On Spanish roads out in the country where there is no traffic the car really comes into its own using sport mode or going into manual mode: great driving on gently curving roads, good road surfaces and some long straights! Just watch out for tractors!
Taffy66 said:
Both my Porsche hybrids always leave home with a full charge and always return home with no charge left..As a subconscious habit we plug them in straight when we arrive home..Its just like brushing your teeth daily but i accept a lot of people can't be arsed..
I agree, and in the Metropolis it's a significant challenge to find a practical plug in point, exactly where these cars should be having the biggest positive environmental impact.Tony 1234 said:
Porsche911R said:
Get round some tax rules for company owners means they sell on that alone.
Yes that's my problem, us retiree's have a hard life you know 
Edited by Tony 1234 on Wednesday 29th August 17:38
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