New Macan Turbo or 2nd hand Panamera

[Frankstar123]

How do,

I'm currently looking for a replacement to my 2017 S5 when it goes back to Audi March 2019.

I randomly ended up looking at a Macan and messing around with the finance examples on the porsche website and thought to myself the turbo looks good value for money (in terms of monthly cost and residual value etc).

Anyhoo i test drove current outgoing Macan S and wow, the handling is better than my S5 . So, I'm sold on a Porsche.

i need 4 doors for kids blah blah.

So now i find myself looking at costs for a Macan Turbo (new one when I can order in September) however now i'm starting to contemplate a £45-£50K second hand Panamera. So what would i need to look at to have as good as performance as S5 '17 and Macan Turbo. And how reliable are £45k-50k Panamera's?

Should I keep with my plans to get a Macan Turbo S when they come out March or should i genuinely start to consider 2nd hand Panameras.....

If i'm honest i still feel like Porsches should be out of my reach but i'm in a lucky position in my life where i can put a big deposit down on a car and afford sizeable monthly payments, but all of a sudden i'm realising that cars like Macan Turbos are within reach.


Anyhoo thanks in advance for any advice you offer.

Frankie

P.S Mpg doesn;t really bother me too much as long as its not somtheing like 10mpg....

[danzltiu]

I have driven 2 breeds of Macan and was very impressed with both (a 3 litre diesel and the new 2 litre petrol) unfortunately so was my wife so got her one needless to say she loves it. The Panamera I had out as a loan for a couple of days whilst my car was in for service etc. Found it very uninspiring and just didn't float my boat. It was a 75k car but if I was spending that sort of money it wouldn,t be on a Panamera.
Down to personal taste I suppose. Test drive them and see.

[Cheib]

I've got a Macan Turbo PP....it's an absolutely fantastic daily driver. Not driven that generation of Panny so can't comment but they're big cars., people do like them though that's for sure....Macan on the other hand isn't big enough for a lot of people as a family car. I'd ay a Macan is a much sportier drive than a Panny which sounds like it's important!

[Dr S]

For a limo I'd always go S class. Passenger rides in latest Panameras left me rather unimpressed. My wife's Macan Turbo is a great allround car though. It's much more fun to drive than it has any right to

[Koln-RS]

I really like the Macans, for comfortable/luxury/sporting/all-weather/family transport. However, I have found they are quite spec dependent and the right options can really improve the car.

Driven a couple of Panameras, and great motorway cars and mile-munchers, but never felt entirely comfortable with the size, for my purposes.

None of these are true 'sports' Porsches, so not really and alternative to a 911/Cayman/Boxster - but obviously more practical.

[Frankstar123]

Thanks for the information.

With regards to options, what should i be going for (i know that base package may change on new version)

I'm thinking:
Turbo with PP (or equivalent)
The blue release colour
Probably 20inch alloys
Tinted windows
Pano?

Thats probably it.... anything else i'm missing?

Frankie

[Nickbrapp]

Frankstar123 said:

Thanks for the information.

With regards to options, what should i be going for (i know that base package may change on new version)

I'm thinking:
Turbo with PP (or equivalent)
The blue release colour
Probably 20inch alloys
Tinted windows
Pano?

Thats probably it.... anything else i'm missing?

Frankie

No tints

Light colour interior, pano is a must, ACC and LED headlights if they haven’t included them as standard in the facelift, maybe upgraded stereo if the Porsche standard one is naff.

Oh and delete of model badging

Edited by Nickbrapp on Wednesday 1st August 10:39

[Frankstar123]

Thanks

Sorry I meant privacy glass in the back, still a no?

What is ACC?

Ta

[Cheib]

Frankstar123 said:

Thanks

Sorry I meant privacy glass in the back, still a no?

What is ACC?

Ta

ACC is Adaptive Cruise Control....if you drive on motorways a lot especially ones like the M25 it works really, really well. Also works really well in slow moving traffic jams too. I've had it on two cars now and wouldn't do without in a car like this.

Other things I'd look at/for me I'd want.

Air PASM (if not you DEFINITELY need normal i.e. Steel PASM...don't know if it's standard)
Park Assist with Camera
Roof Rails (can't be retrofitted)
Auto dimming mirrors
Heated Steering Wheel if that's your thing.
18 way seats are excellent.

[Frankstar123]

Cheers thanks for the information.

I'm putting a deposit down for a place in the build queue today.

Frankie

[ab8]

I bought a last of the pre-facelift Turbo PPs because I couldn't wait for the facelifts. In order to do so I had to buy an unregistered cancelled order. It cost more than 80k. I CANNOT BELIEVE it comes without auto-dimming mirrors. Proper shocker.

Anyway, air suspension is a game changer (I'm told. I have not myself driven steel springs but have taken a buddy for a ride whose had a number of steel sprung ones. In my experience the air suspension is super plush but contains roll admirably.).

Extended leather ("black leather interior") is great for ambience but probably not essential to many.

I love heated steering wheels - had one as standard in my 911 Turbo S and used it on all but the hottest days, even when not using the heated seats. I am really glad that I have it in this.

Seat ventilation is surprisingly lovely - even on the hottest days we've had recently I can cruise indefinitely with windows/roof open or closed, but step out without any sweatiness/clamminess of back or bum. Total revelation.

And I can't imagine why anyone would spec a car like this without Pano roof. It lends airiness on any day, is great on sunny days, and in a car like this should suffer none of the usual "it adds weight in the wrong place" nonsense.

Edited by ab8 on Wednesday 1st August 14:52

Edited by ab8 on Wednesday 1st August 14:55

[EGTE]

If low centre of gravity means anything to you, get the Panamera. Way more practical than the Macan, handles better and interior is better.

Air-suspension makes it ride superbly (no it's not a blobby S-class, but no Porsche should be) and they are actually narrower than a Cayenne.

Best of all, they depreciate like hell, so they're a second-hand bargain, especially compared to a new non-GT Porsche. A lot less common, too.

[Koln-RS]

Not sure what is standard or optional on the Macan Turbo - probably comes with quite a lot.
The nicest Macan I drove, for comfort and handling, had Air/PASM/20” wheels.
Sports exhaust very good, even on the Diesel S.
Lot of people seem to like the Panoramic Sunroof.

[MDL111]

not sure if that is an option, but I would definitely take a used Panamera Sport Tourismo over pretty much any other car if I needed 4 doors. One of the best looking cars on the market, lovely interior too.

Edit: Re-read initial post - seems the Panamera budget is only 50k, so that's a no then.

Is a new Macan Turbo specced not more like 80k? That would be Panamera ST territory..

Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 1st August 16:22

[nn7man]

MDL111 said:

not sure if that is an option, but I would definitely take a used Panamera Sport Tourismo over pretty much any other car if I needed 4 doors. One of the best looking cars on the market, lovely interior too.

Edit: Re-read initial post - seems the Panamera budget is only 50k, so that's a no then.

Is a new Macan Turbo specced not more like 80k? That would be Panamera ST territory..

Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 1st August 16:22

I'd be in a E63 S wagon, 62 more HP, beautiful interior and more lairy if required

[cheddar]

ab8 said:

It cost more than 80k. I CANNOT BELIEVE it comes without auto-dimming mirrors. Proper shocker

Edited by ab8 on Wednesday 1st August 14:52

Edited by ab8 on Wednesday 1st August 14:55

Shocker indeed, even my 10 year old Auris has auto dip mirrors

[Mosdef]

nn7man said:

MDL111 said:

not sure if that is an option, but I would definitely take a used Panamera Sport Tourismo over pretty much any other car if I needed 4 doors. One of the best looking cars on the market, lovely interior too.

Edit: Re-read initial post - seems the Panamera budget is only 50k, so that's a no then.

Is a new Macan Turbo specced not more like 80k? That would be Panamera ST territory..

Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 1st August 16:22

I'd be in a E63 S wagon, 62 more HP, beautiful interior and more lairy if required

The 5.5 TT E63? I ran a non-S one for 2 years and 20k miles but the car I had didn't have the LSD, so had terrible traction issues. It might have had more power but the set up meant the car rarely got to use it.

It was definitely quite wild but wasn't a great car to live with and feels low rent interior wise compared to any Porsche.

[EGTE]

Dimensions

Porsche Macan
4,692-4,699 mm L x 1,923-1,926 mm W x 1,609-1,624 mm H

Porsche Cayenne
4,918-4,926 mm L x 1,983 mm W x 1,673-1,696 mm H

Porsche Panamera
5,049-5,199 mm L x 1,937 mm W x 1,423-1,432 mm H

Longest is Panamera, Widest is Cayenne, Highest is Cayenne.

Shortest is Macan, Narrowest is Macan (just 1 cm less than Panamera), Lowest is Panamera (by a HUGE 25 cm).

[Cheib]

EGTE said:

Dimensions

Porsche Macan
4,692-4,699 mm L x 1,923-1,926 mm W x 1,609-1,624 mm H

Porsche Cayenne
4,918-4,926 mm L x 1,983 mm W x 1,673-1,696 mm H

Porsche Panamera
5,049-5,199 mm L x 1,937 mm W x 1,423-1,432 mm H

Longest is Panamera, Widest is Cayenne, Highest is Cayenne.

Shortest is Macan, Narrowest is Macan (just 1 cm less than Panamera), Lowest is Panamera (by a HUGE 25 cm).

Panny is also 50cm longer than a Macan....that is equally HUGE

I didn't consider it as my daily because of that...my Macan gets parked in a car park a lot. Sounds daft but the best parking spaces are in the corners so you can park as far away from the car next to you as possible thus making door dents the least likely. Macan fits in these space but a Panny would stick out so far you'd almost definitely get hit by another car at some point.