944 S2. Is it actually a sound investment?
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Evening all,
I owned a 1987 944S about 15 years ago, and adored it. Sadly I got all sensible, had a kid, and had to sell it. So now I'm maybe in a position to buy again, and a lot of the adverts talk about how 944's are likely to be appreciating classics.
My preferred model would be an S2, but can it actually be a sound investment as well as a gorgeous car? And what specifically do I need to look for to ensure the 'investment' box is ticked?
Would love to hear the forum's thoughts,
Cheers!
I owned a 1987 944S about 15 years ago, and adored it. Sadly I got all sensible, had a kid, and had to sell it. So now I'm maybe in a position to buy again, and a lot of the adverts talk about how 944's are likely to be appreciating classics.
My preferred model would be an S2, but can it actually be a sound investment as well as a gorgeous car? And what specifically do I need to look for to ensure the 'investment' box is ticked?
Would love to hear the forum's thoughts,
Cheers!
As he says + strong and stable unlike Mrs May. I have spent the past 3 years toying with selling my S2 race car but this year been prepping her for an MoT again (not road driven since 2011), now seeing my Megane drop in value whilst simultaneously being a bit of a moneypit (very cheap parts that don't last) my love for the thing has been rekindled. There is a mechanical feel and weight to these that nobody does any more, and frankly 80s and early to mid 90s Pork were its zenith.
'Investment' is a dirty word around these parts when it comes to cars, particularly anything Porsche...
If you mean will your money be safe on one as a toy? Then sure. But don't expect to run one on buttons; parts come with a Porsche price tag as they're a very well engineered car. But they're built to last and most jobs only need doing once. An S2 (or in fact any 944) in fine fettle is a lovely thing indeed that's a world away from modern monotony.
Cash in the bank doing sod all, or a proper, usable and affordable Porsche in the garage? Now that's an easy call to me!!
If you mean will your money be safe on one as a toy? Then sure. But don't expect to run one on buttons; parts come with a Porsche price tag as they're a very well engineered car. But they're built to last and most jobs only need doing once. An S2 (or in fact any 944) in fine fettle is a lovely thing indeed that's a world away from modern monotony.
Cash in the bank doing sod all, or a proper, usable and affordable Porsche in the garage? Now that's an easy call to me!!
They are also unlike more recent cars fairly easy to work on. In my garage for example I jack up from behind under the gearbox or using drive on ramps under the front cross member. This means I can safely raise the car straight up onto stands at either end, rather than the very unsafe practice of raising on a trolley jack under the side at a funny angle. I have another 2 normal cars, both French hatchbacks which can only be lifted on a lift or from the sides, I have seen the pictures on the net of what happens when one of those cars slips off the trolley jack. You will also find that if you work on them yourself everything has a habit of just fitting together just right when you get it right, this breeds confidence when you're working on the car. You can tell it was designed by real engineers with some care and attention applied to all the mechanical basics. The only downside I can see to home spannering these cars is you need a lot of strength and patience, everything is over-engineered but its like having a good session down the gym you feel quite chuffed at the end albeit battered and bruised.
6 hrs I believe. Its something you do once in the lifetime of the vehicle on an S2. Mine lasted till 160k miles. Contrast this with my Megane and whilst it was less book time the clutch lasts 30k to 70k miles at most and took 3 visits to finally bleed the crappy plastic slave cylinder.
blade7 said:
More like 9 hrs, and around £500 for the parts on an S2.
How could it possibly take 9 hours??I'm not disputing, just amazed what seems like a fairly simple car could be designed in a way that it takes 9 hours to swap a clutch.
Having said that my garage were recently swapping a clutch on an Audi r8 and the labour alone was 3k.
2k for my turbo clutch but i did have a Muppet doing mine, although I did not know it at the start...
Car was 146k
Problem is getting everything off first and seized bolts etc, I would have expected to pay £1500.
The flywheel was skimmed at the same time.
Like most people say, better than cash in the bank with the added bonus
"better buy quick as they are going up daily"...
Car was 146k
Problem is getting everything off first and seized bolts etc, I would have expected to pay £1500.
The flywheel was skimmed at the same time.
Like most people say, better than cash in the bank with the added bonus
"better buy quick as they are going up daily"...
I've been informed the book time for a clutch on a 951 is 24-30 hours due to said rusty bolts 
I didn't even attempt to do mine in the car, as it's easier/quicker to just remove the engine IMO. But then of course that will often open Pandora's Box to a ton on 'whilst you're in there jobs'. Should be much more straight forwards on NA cars!! Still more complicated than most front-rear cars though due to the torque tube.
I didn't even attempt to do mine in the car, as it's easier/quicker to just remove the engine IMO. But then of course that will often open Pandora's Box to a ton on 'whilst you're in there jobs'. Should be much more straight forwards on NA cars!! Still more complicated than most front-rear cars though due to the torque tube.
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