924S No go!

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52classic

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2,629 posts

217 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Restored a D reg 924S during last year and managed a couple of shows with it during last season.

Not concours but I'm pleased with it and that's what counts eh?

Recently it just stopped whilst parking it up and now won't restart.... Yes, there is petrol there!
Fires whilst on the key but runs for only a second or so when the key is released.

Changed the DME relay (and tried shunting it) cleaned connections etc., but no go. There's fuel at the rail but no petrol smell from engine bay or exhaust.

Now I'm stumped! Any ideas welcome.

unclepezza

790 posts

150 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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fuel pump?

smudger911

500 posts

265 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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crank or other reference sensor given up the ghost?
vacuum issue?
air lock in fuel system?

R26Andy

404 posts

168 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Jumper the fuel pump relay so the pump is running all the time and then try to start.

Edit: by shunting you mean you have already tried this?

52classic

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2,629 posts

217 months

Saturday 19th March 2016
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Thanks all, at least something to try! Andy, yes, shunting the power/pump terminals with DME relay removed produces pump noise and a flow of fuel at the fuel rail joint.

I like the sensor idea and I'm wondering if there might be an ignition switch issue allowing ign power in the start position but not when the key is released.

GC8

19,910 posts

197 months

Monday 21st March 2016
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Both 924 and 928 derived switches fail. Chrank sensors wiring is a frequent issue (rear of cam tower 2x connectors) and so is the FPR.

Does the rev counter needle bounce when cranking? This is where you start.

anonymous-user

61 months

Monday 21st March 2016
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Had this on my 944, googled it and found a 'cold running' sensor that needed to be cleaned periodically.

52classic

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2,629 posts

217 months

Saturday 26th March 2016
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Another attempt and I'd say progress but still no go.

Established that there's fuel supply from pump to the rail and the pump runs fine. Rev counter doesn't bounce whilst cranking but does register as it fires and attempts to run. cleaned all the connectors I could find and there was some corrosion here and there. The news is that with air box open and fuel introduced to the intake it will run!

Seems to me that we've isolated that the problem lies with the injectors not getting a signal to open so one of the sensors does seem like the right track.

Thanks again one and all.

aka_kerrly

12,490 posts

217 months

Saturday 26th March 2016
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rev counter bounce is good though isn't it as it shows the speed sensor is registering.

Whilst you have fuel to the rail it might be insufficient pressure to the injector. How old is the fuel filter and have you ever cleaned/replaced the strainer on the fuel pump?

Is a 924s stil on Kjet/KEet?? Ive only familiar with standard 924models, mk1/2 golfs an such like that run Kjet. On those kjet cars a blocked strainer or failing intank pump puts more load on the main fuel pump which tends to lead to blown fuel relays, ECU relays and general non starting issues.

blade7

11,311 posts

223 months

Saturday 26th March 2016
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Go online to Clarkes Garage, plenty of informed advice there.

A9XXC

621 posts

156 months

Monday 28th March 2016
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90% crank sensors - try to wiggle them as somebody turns the key.
FPR usually makes it run badly for a while but as its been standing a while is a possibility.

GC8

19,910 posts

197 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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If the crank sensor does not bounce as soon as you start to crank then it is the problem, or at least part of it.


cd1957

647 posts

183 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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Hi All the ECU had failed, and could not be repaired,even after trying for 4 days.Used item fitted and all ok.

Chris

52classic

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2,629 posts

217 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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Yes indeed. Despite our best efforts at tinkering the car was eventually trailered around to Chris' workshop.
Impressive little place and a very knowledgeable bloke. Fault diagnosed in no time and the car now runs better than ever. Thanks Chris!
Plan is to do some local shows with it this season.

Richair

1,021 posts

204 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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We seem to be hearing more and more of Bosch DME's developing faults and failing. Adds weight to me switching to VEMS in the not so distant future I think!

Glad it's all sorted smile

GC8

19,910 posts

197 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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The solid state DME relay guy has recently announced a plug compatible DME replacement for $300-$400.

blade7

11,311 posts

223 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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This ^^^^ .Plus I haven't seen a before and after independent test of the speed density setups yet. It wouldn't be hard to improve on a car running a knackered AFM etc and claim wonders. I probably would have taken a punt on VEMS if the guy selling the plug and play kit didn't throw a moody when I asked him to clarify a couple of points.

tr7v8

7,306 posts

235 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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52classic said:
Another attempt and I'd say progress but still no go.

Established that there's fuel supply from pump to the rail and the pump runs fine. Rev counter doesn't bounce whilst cranking but does register as it fires and attempts to run. cleaned all the connectors I could find and there was some corrosion here and there. The news is that with air box open and fuel introduced to the intake it will run!

Seems to me that we've isolated that the problem lies with the injectors not getting a signal to open so one of the sensors does seem like the right track.

Thanks again one and all.
Could be ignition switch as well.

jasongibson

175 posts

214 months

Monday 9th May 2016
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It could well be related to an alarm system that is currently installed or previously installed.
Both of my 2 S's had issues caused by previous alarms.
One had had two systems fitted and the other had possibly 4 , all sorts of ste plugged in and lots of wire taps and dual connectors. ECU fried on one of them due to it

Richair

1,021 posts

204 months

Tuesday 10th May 2016
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GC8 said:
The solid state DME relay guy has recently announced a plug compatible DME replacement for $300-$400.
Interesting... I take it this is someone on Rennlist? I must get on there.