944 Period Rally History?
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944 period rally history?
we know that the 944 was not homologated for international competition back in the day, with the exception of the 220 bhp turbo which was homologated into Group B. However does anyone know if the n/a 2.5 litre cars were used anywhere, particularly on the Continent, in National rallies up to 1986?
the reason for asking is because historic rallying is about to embrace the period up to 1986, and there is to be a UK MSA historic asphalt rally championship next year. This is only open to cars that were homologated back in the day, however, I understand that a national authority can authorise use via a local technical passport:
1. If you can prove that the car was used in national competition at the time and,
2. You can demonstrate that the individual car in question does not deviate from the manufacturers spec of the period.
It may be that the MSA will consider allowing a 944 to be used in historic Tarmac rallies IF the two points above can be satisfied??? It's worth a try anyway!
So, does anyone have any definitive proof that 944s were used in national rallies anywhere in the early 1980s? If so, where and when?
we know that the 944 was not homologated for international competition back in the day, with the exception of the 220 bhp turbo which was homologated into Group B. However does anyone know if the n/a 2.5 litre cars were used anywhere, particularly on the Continent, in National rallies up to 1986?
the reason for asking is because historic rallying is about to embrace the period up to 1986, and there is to be a UK MSA historic asphalt rally championship next year. This is only open to cars that were homologated back in the day, however, I understand that a national authority can authorise use via a local technical passport:
1. If you can prove that the car was used in national competition at the time and,
2. You can demonstrate that the individual car in question does not deviate from the manufacturers spec of the period.
It may be that the MSA will consider allowing a 944 to be used in historic Tarmac rallies IF the two points above can be satisfied??? It's worth a try anyway!
So, does anyone have any definitive proof that 944s were used in national rallies anywhere in the early 1980s? If so, where and when?
Found this info on it, translated using google.
Porsche 944 2500 cc 163 hp
year: 1983
Reproduction Rothmans livery
Preparation for Historic Regularity Rally Sport car with a regular chip category
Prepared with trim Koni springs additional to the post. + Front strut brace Toyo R888 tires 225/50/15 and 215/50/15 front post. spacers post.
Self-locking Torsen differential type quife
Series engine with direct discharge steel, suction filter and ignetori increased (next to the transplant with engine 944 S2 3000)
Sump duralumin mm 4
Interior full rally with steering wheel cup, seats, 4-point belts, roll bars, fire extinguisher swivel, control headphones to transfer and helmets, additional water pressure gauges, engine oil + oil differential, supplemental light known laws, chronometers, extra switches for fan radiator, fuel pump, additional lights
Hydraulic handbrake on the central tunnel.
Standard braking system with racing pads and aeronautical hoses.
After various easing (not exaggerated) curb weight of 1100 kg.
Particular signs:
Autographed by Walter Rohrl (world rally champion in 1980 and 1982) on the driver's side hood.
The preparation is entirely followed by automotive equipment of Altavilla Vicentina (VI)
Reproduction of livery Graphics Seriemme Creazzo (VI)
Porsche 944 2500 cc 163 hp
year: 1983
Reproduction Rothmans livery
Preparation for Historic Regularity Rally Sport car with a regular chip category
Prepared with trim Koni springs additional to the post. + Front strut brace Toyo R888 tires 225/50/15 and 215/50/15 front post. spacers post.
Self-locking Torsen differential type quife
Series engine with direct discharge steel, suction filter and ignetori increased (next to the transplant with engine 944 S2 3000)
Sump duralumin mm 4
Interior full rally with steering wheel cup, seats, 4-point belts, roll bars, fire extinguisher swivel, control headphones to transfer and helmets, additional water pressure gauges, engine oil + oil differential, supplemental light known laws, chronometers, extra switches for fan radiator, fuel pump, additional lights
Hydraulic handbrake on the central tunnel.
Standard braking system with racing pads and aeronautical hoses.
After various easing (not exaggerated) curb weight of 1100 kg.
Particular signs:
Autographed by Walter Rohrl (world rally champion in 1980 and 1982) on the driver's side hood.
The preparation is entirely followed by automotive equipment of Altavilla Vicentina (VI)
Reproduction of livery Graphics Seriemme Creazzo (VI)
After getting the info I posted earlier, I went back looking for the forums/photos and I couldn't bloody find them!
Would it be worth trying to use 924 info from the rally cars used in Germany, and/or race info from the various race cars?
I know the 944 Turbo Cup was a one make championship, but would the car prep be based on some form of homologation?
Would it be worth trying to use 924 info from the rally cars used in Germany, and/or race info from the various race cars?
I know the 944 Turbo Cup was a one make championship, but would the car prep be based on some form of homologation?
Unfortunately homologation, and the requirement to get a local historic technical passport, have to be based on the actual base model in exactly the correct spec that you want to use.
The 924, 924 turbo, 924 Carrera GT, 944 turbo (220) were all homologated and so could be used now in the relevant historic competitions but the n/a 924S and 944 (and the 928' I think) were not homologated for competition back in the day so can't be used in pukka historic events where homologation or a http is required now.
The 924, 924 turbo, 924 Carrera GT, 944 turbo (220) were all homologated and so could be used now in the relevant historic competitions but the n/a 924S and 944 (and the 928' I think) were not homologated for competition back in the day so can't be used in pukka historic events where homologation or a http is required now.
andy97 said:
Unfortunately homologation, and the requirement to get a local historic technical passport, have to be based on the actual base model in exactly the correct spec that you want to use.
The 924, 924 turbo, 924 Carrera GT, 944 turbo (220) were all homologated and so could be used now in the relevant historic competitions but the n/a 924S and 944 (and the 928' I think) were not homologated for competition back in the day so can't be used in pukka historic events where homologation or a http is required now.
The 928 from 1986 (4.7 16v) was homologated for Group B competition. I have the fische somewhere at home. So was the 944 Turbo 220, but not the boggo 944The 924, 924 turbo, 924 Carrera GT, 944 turbo (220) were all homologated and so could be used now in the relevant historic competitions but the n/a 924S and 944 (and the 928' I think) were not homologated for competition back in the day so can't be used in pukka historic events where homologation or a http is required now.
Just discovered that a 928 even raced at Le Mans in 1983 - a French private entry in Group B I think.
Finished 22nd overall.
Still think it's strange that Porsche didn't homologated the n/a 944 but can't help that now. A pity as they are cheap as chips now.
Mark, a 4.5 or 4.7 928 might be an unusual Option for invites to some nice historic events in the future. Outside my price range already, sadly.
Finished 22nd overall.
Still think it's strange that Porsche didn't homologated the n/a 944 but can't help that now. A pity as they are cheap as chips now.
Mark, a 4.5 or 4.7 928 might be an unusual Option for invites to some nice historic events in the future. Outside my price range already, sadly.
Hi its a bit late I know, but I have just found out my 944 Turbo has a M44/50 engine, I believe this is the homolagation spec.
Its an 86 shell with a build year of 1985. My car is 123rd Turbo produced in 1985.
Anything you can tell me of the homologation cars would be most welcome.
Regards
Steve
Its an 86 shell with a build year of 1985. My car is 123rd Turbo produced in 1985.
Anything you can tell me of the homologation cars would be most welcome.
Regards
Steve
binsie2003 said:
I'd gathered that due to the zero race record . I never booked Porsche as being a rally specialist more sports cars and endurance racing. I believe 911's did a bit of rallying tho if I'm correct?
911's were campaigned successfully on the Continent in the European Tarmac championships, including wins on the Monte Carlo rally and Circuit of Ireland.A popular privateer car, too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_in_motorsp...
Edited by andy97 on Saturday 1st April 07:48
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