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Very tempted. I would like a 3.4, as id probably kick myself if i didnt go big...
I am a touch nervous about bore scoring issues. Am i right in saying the gen2 has a different block coating and isnt as troublesome?
Basic wish list is 3.4 manual and bose stereo. Anything i should look at and be aware of?
I get usual bits and generic checks, but anything else thats worth a punt?
If its a gen 1 with good bores, by now has the risk passed? Or do i just go gen2
Cheers!
I am a touch nervous about bore scoring issues. Am i right in saying the gen2 has a different block coating and isnt as troublesome?
Basic wish list is 3.4 manual and bose stereo. Anything i should look at and be aware of?
I get usual bits and generic checks, but anything else thats worth a punt?
If its a gen 1 with good bores, by now has the risk passed? Or do i just go gen2
Cheers!
A gen 1 with a rebuilt engine might be the best option, I don't think the gen 1 Cayman S is worth the risk otherwise.
Gen 2 is unfortunately quite rare with a manual, since it was the debut of the PDK and the gen 2 is already quite a rare car to begin with due to the financial crisis at the time it was released.
Gen 2 is unfortunately quite rare with a manual, since it was the debut of the PDK and the gen 2 is already quite a rare car to begin with due to the financial crisis at the time it was released.
Belle427 said:
Gen 2 all day long unless you can find a Gen 1 with full rebuild as suggested but these are few and far between.
Ive not driven either but i wouldnt overlook the 2.9 if the right car comes along as the difference in real world performance is quite small.
I have a 2.9 and have not been disappointed by the performance. I also had a Caterham "Superlight deluxe" for many years, which on paper was ½ sec quicker 0-60, (ie about the same as the 3.4) but in the real world there's nothing in it.Ive not driven either but i wouldnt overlook the 2.9 if the right car comes along as the difference in real world performance is quite small.
Don't rule out a 2.9.
Hol said:
I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along.
Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon.Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116...
Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.
I've given some thought to a manual 987.2 Cayman S. They're typically priced around £20,000 and there aren't many around. A newer, lower mileage 981 S will usually be £30,000 ish so the earlier car looks like a good purchase perhaps.
However, these cars are now often 15 years old, and there's some expensive potential bills lurking. Coolant hoses and crossover pipes are a "when not if" item that costs £1,000 plus to have fixed. Suspension components may be rather tired by now, brake pipes are likely to have corroded and the car may well need new discs and pads too. Then there's the gear linkage cables, leaking condensers and corroded exhaust fittings.
The trick is finding one whose owner(s) have kept on top of those things. If they haven't - and regular servicing may not have addressed them - one might be looking at a bill of £000's to get sorted. That would be at a specialist; if you can DIY it'd cost much less, to be fair.
However, these cars are now often 15 years old, and there's some expensive potential bills lurking. Coolant hoses and crossover pipes are a "when not if" item that costs £1,000 plus to have fixed. Suspension components may be rather tired by now, brake pipes are likely to have corroded and the car may well need new discs and pads too. Then there's the gear linkage cables, leaking condensers and corroded exhaust fittings.
The trick is finding one whose owner(s) have kept on top of those things. If they haven't - and regular servicing may not have addressed them - one might be looking at a bill of £000's to get sorted. That would be at a specialist; if you can DIY it'd cost much less, to be fair.
CanAm said:
f6box said:
Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon.
Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116...
Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.
Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116...
Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.
Wash your mouth out with soap and water! f6box said:
Hol said:
I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along.
Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon.Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116...
Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.
Have a look at this guys journey with a Gen 1.
https://youtu.be/iVHJAKQzHjw?si=1giMIJhgMNgYHfSj
I'd agree about finding a car that at least has had some of the work done makes a lot of sense and less of a headache for you.
https://youtu.be/iVHJAKQzHjw?si=1giMIJhgMNgYHfSj
I'd agree about finding a car that at least has had some of the work done makes a lot of sense and less of a headache for you.
My 3.4 987.1 has 105k on it and (probably) no bore scoring. A bit of white smoke on startup but no ticking and the AOS has been changed by me.
I do struggle to get it to pass emissions tests every MOT though and it does like to drink oil so the engine is showing signs of wear.
Hartech rebuild cost (with them taking the engine out of the car for you) is north of £10k so I'd struggle to justify the cost as the car isn't worth more than that.
Having said that, she's absolutely beautiful from almost any angle, sounds glorious and gives a better mpg than my 2022 Evoque.
I treat the car as a bit of a project, so if/when things go wrong I will have a go at fixing it myself - not sure about doing an engine rebuild but so far I've not needed to think about that.
I do struggle to get it to pass emissions tests every MOT though and it does like to drink oil so the engine is showing signs of wear.
Hartech rebuild cost (with them taking the engine out of the car for you) is north of £10k so I'd struggle to justify the cost as the car isn't worth more than that.
Having said that, she's absolutely beautiful from almost any angle, sounds glorious and gives a better mpg than my 2022 Evoque.
I treat the car as a bit of a project, so if/when things go wrong I will have a go at fixing it myself - not sure about doing an engine rebuild but so far I've not needed to think about that.
I agree, don't rule out the gen 2, 2.9 engine. You'll be doing the speed limit in second gear anyway so something to consider.
Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately.
If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs.
Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately.
If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs.
duncancallum said:
Thanks all..
I mean if a gen 1 is say 6k under a gen 2... whats the cost of a clutch/rebuild...
As i supose thats the other way of looking at it.
A clutch replacement is about £1000+vat at a Porsche specialist. From what I've heard an engine rebuild due to bore score is above £10,000I mean if a gen 1 is say 6k under a gen 2... whats the cost of a clutch/rebuild...
As i supose thats the other way of looking at it.
f6box said:
Hol said:
I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along.
Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon.Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.
Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116...
Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.
duncancallum said:
I can DIY, ive a big garage and I am considering a ramp = just buy one and stop being a worrier!
I've corrected that for you! I've had a few different Porsches for a while now and if you can do the work yourself, they really aren't expensive to own. The parts themselves are not unduly expensive and there is a decent amount of aftermarket support these days
Discs and pads all round can be done for less than £250, suspension arms are typically ~£100 each, coolant pipes aren't too expensive (can't remember how much I paid for mine but it certainly wasn't crazy and it wasn't a particularly difficult job)... etc etc.
Get one with a decent engine (personally I would avoid a Gen1 3.4 but it depends on your attitude to risk) and you will be fine. My current Cayman has now done 116k and probably 40+ track days in my ownership... it has never let me down.
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