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With all due respect to any white Spyder owners, I can't help but notice that the only ones for sale are all white (3 at the moment). I do like the colour on the car but it wouldn't be my first or maybe second choice. On another thread about 997 GTS, the view was that white cars trade at a discount to other more desirable colours and they hang around. Can the same be said of Spyders (981s) or is this a coincidence of the moment? I'm in the market, so I'm trying to get an appreciation of the situation. Thanks in advance.
Edited by P.Griffin on Friday 8th March 11:50
elisered said:
Colour breakdown for 227 UK 981 Spyders below. I guess you could argue either way whether white or silver are good choices but you’ll always see more of them for sale than any other colour by default.
Black 19
Blue 22
Green 1
Grey 12
Red 27
Silver 62
White 78
Yellow 6
That's really useful, thank you. Wow...white was really popular. Black 19
Blue 22
Green 1
Grey 12
Red 27
Silver 62
White 78
Yellow 6
Colour is a personal thing, in 2016 I had a white with classic red trim , wouldn't be my choice today but back when then white was the very in colour just like the greys have been for the past few years.
elisered said:
Colour breakdown for 227 UK 981 Spyders below. I guess you could argue either way whether white or silver are good choices but you’ll always see more of them for sale than any other colour by default.
Black 19
Blue 22
Green 1
Grey 12
Red 27
Silver 62
White 78
Yellow 6
Black 19
Blue 22
Green 1
Grey 12
Red 27
Silver 62
White 78
Yellow 6
P.Griffin, I see that RPM Technik have just listed a stunning Spyder in GT Silver with the 918 bucket seats.
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/981...
Hmmm. Lovely!
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/981...
Hmmm. Lovely!
My 981 spyder is white. I've had it from new. 8 years old tmw! 7000miles from new.which is not enough but life gets in the way. ..
I chose white as a safe colour as there was a chance I would of had to of sold it within a year or so to part finance a house move.
In hindsight, if I had known I would have kept it ,I would have gone yellow / black alloys.
I chose white as a safe colour as there was a chance I would of had to of sold it within a year or so to part finance a house move.
In hindsight, if I had known I would have kept it ,I would have gone yellow / black alloys.
My Spyder was white.
But I had other plans which ended up as..
But White was its launch colour and I might go back to it one day...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
But I had other plans which ended up as..
But White was its launch colour and I might go back to it one day...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Quickmoose said:
My Spyder was white.
But I had other plans which ended up as..
But White was its launch colour and I might go back to it one day...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Mr Moose...that is stunning. Loved th write up piece too. What was the damage on the peelable paint and what's it's lifespan do you reckon, assuming it's not a daily driver? But I had other plans which ended up as..
But White was its launch colour and I might go back to it one day...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Owned a white 981 Spyder from new in late 2015 ran it for a couple of years alongside a white 991.1 GT3 and red 981 GT4 both also from new. Great car but I preferred the GT4 overall due to its effective GT3 chassis.
Always tend to spec white or red on Porsche GT cars always have and imo the Spyder suits it perfectly with perfect contrast to the greys and black hood. Mine had red accents red calipers carbon and red stitching same as the GT3 (991.2 CS manual also white replaced the 991.1 PDK S)) which I sold last year for top money to a fellow PH enthusiast who wanted a mint one owner manual CS in whote with under 10k miles.
I would say white has probably fallen out of favour somewhat and is less popular than it once was on Porsches especially their halo cars but because there are only 227 981 Spyders this really isn't a problem the low numbers will alway ensure demand for the right cars similar to the718 Spyder. Don't forget white was also the launch colour on the 991.1 GT3 in 2013 consequently like the 981 Spyder this was the most popular colour choice new and so the vast majority of cars for sale are invariably white although again thelow numbers (332) ensure residuals are strong especially for thecprrect speccars.
One thought is that the 981 Spyder appears to have retained residuals very well and imo looks expensive for what it is being an 8 year old car and for some £10k to £15k more the equally low production much newer 718 Spyder offers much better value has a more focused chassis and underpinnings and a far better proper Porsche GT higher revving engine with much greater economy too.
As ever the best advise would be to drive both cars and see which one you prefer.
Incidentally alsoowned a 997 GTS PDK 2wd in white ran that for a few years (bought from Porsche Cambridge at 10 months old) and sold it no trouble whatsoever for strongish money.
Always tend to spec white or red on Porsche GT cars always have and imo the Spyder suits it perfectly with perfect contrast to the greys and black hood. Mine had red accents red calipers carbon and red stitching same as the GT3 (991.2 CS manual also white replaced the 991.1 PDK S)) which I sold last year for top money to a fellow PH enthusiast who wanted a mint one owner manual CS in whote with under 10k miles.
I would say white has probably fallen out of favour somewhat and is less popular than it once was on Porsches especially their halo cars but because there are only 227 981 Spyders this really isn't a problem the low numbers will alway ensure demand for the right cars similar to the718 Spyder. Don't forget white was also the launch colour on the 991.1 GT3 in 2013 consequently like the 981 Spyder this was the most popular colour choice new and so the vast majority of cars for sale are invariably white although again thelow numbers (332) ensure residuals are strong especially for thecprrect speccars.
One thought is that the 981 Spyder appears to have retained residuals very well and imo looks expensive for what it is being an 8 year old car and for some £10k to £15k more the equally low production much newer 718 Spyder offers much better value has a more focused chassis and underpinnings and a far better proper Porsche GT higher revving engine with much greater economy too.
As ever the best advise would be to drive both cars and see which one you prefer.
Incidentally alsoowned a 997 GTS PDK 2wd in white ran that for a few years (bought from Porsche Cambridge at 10 months old) and sold it no trouble whatsoever for strongish money.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 12th March 08:27
P.Griffin said:
Mr Moose...that is stunning. Loved th write up piece too. What was the damage on the peelable paint and what's it's lifespan do you reckon, assuming it's not a daily driver?
Thank youThe peelable paint was circa £8k.... and it was a mad thing to do.
I was very very keen to get that colour/spec, but I couldn't commit to a full permanent respray. Nothing I've done is irreversible.
This appeared to be the compromise...actual paint, that can be polished and later removed. The product has a 5 year warranty, and I'm not sure there's much proof yet as to is ultimate longevity.
It's been this way for nearly 18 months and I've done around 5000 miles and the finish remains as per day one...aside from stone chips on the GT4 side intake covers, which I/you can touch up... I wasn't expecting that given the "healing" properties claimed, but it's not ruined the experience.
LogicVPC did not cover themselves in glory with this job, that's a different chat, but I am happy as I sit here right now.
The options for protecting and changing the colour or finish of a car progress and improve year on year, and given the finish I have, I don't feel I've cheapened it, like say a bog standard vinyl wrap might have.
It remains original and protected underneath and until the green degrades, or I can't get in and out of it and have to sell it, I'll enjoy it exactly as I intended.
av185 said:
One thought is that the 981 Spyder appears to have retained residuals very well and imo looks expensive for what it is being an 8 year old car and for some £10k to £15k more the equally low production much newer 718 Spyder offers much better value has a more focused chassis and underpinnings and a far better proper Porsche GT higher revving engine with much greater economy too.
As ever the best advise would be to drive both cars and see which one you prefer.
Incidentally also owned a 997 GTS PDK 2wd in white ran that for a few years (bought from Porsche Cambridge at 10 months old) and sold it no trouble whatsoever for strongish money.
I have given up trying to play the "value" game. By all measures, you are probably right regarding the 718 v 981 Spyders, but some prefer the older version and values showing this to be true . The epitome of this situation may be the very same GTS you mentioned. Manual examples are in the £80s ...for a 13 year old car. I really like that car, but I don't agree with the market, so I'll put my money elsewhere....but now you got me looking at the 718s...you swine. I thought I was done. As ever the best advise would be to drive both cars and see which one you prefer.
Incidentally also owned a 997 GTS PDK 2wd in white ran that for a few years (bought from Porsche Cambridge at 10 months old) and sold it no trouble whatsoever for strongish money.
Edited by av185 on Tuesday 12th March 08:27
Edited by P.Griffin on Tuesday 12th March 10:32
Agree £80ks is bonkers for a 997 GTS but there were very few manual 2wds made which has resulted in the demand. They are good but certainly not that good and for even less money the equally rare last of the narrow bodied 991.2 T beats it in most areas if you want a 911. Only pity it is not na and there is slight turbo lag unfortunately and the gearbox action is not brilliant but as an overall package it works very well.
You really have to drive both.
There are many more 718 Spyders in the UK than either 981 or 987, and whilst its obviously true the 718 is newer, depending on your priorities it isn't necessarily progress. The 4.0 engine is not the high revving GT unit found in the RS, and so it's redline is only circa 2-400 more, than the 3.8's.
The chassis, and looks IMO, are a step on, but again, British roads, traffic, weather etc etc it all becomes a bit moot. After my drive in each, AND in 981/718 GT4 I decided the sheer character of the 3.8 in the open top, was worth all the money...but that too is massively subjective as many were turned off by the exhaust's noisy open valve antics.
Dynamically it's a softer car than either it's direct relation the GT4 or the revised 718, and for me, all the better for it where I live, and bearing in mind I won't be tracking it.
Having owned it for while now, I must admit the only thing that would tempt me away would be a PDK 718 Spyder. Not available before, I have ALWAYS preferred a manual, but cannot deny the quality of that auto unit, I think that singular alteration changes the game... IF you don't mind the idea of it.
There are many more 718 Spyders in the UK than either 981 or 987, and whilst its obviously true the 718 is newer, depending on your priorities it isn't necessarily progress. The 4.0 engine is not the high revving GT unit found in the RS, and so it's redline is only circa 2-400 more, than the 3.8's.
The chassis, and looks IMO, are a step on, but again, British roads, traffic, weather etc etc it all becomes a bit moot. After my drive in each, AND in 981/718 GT4 I decided the sheer character of the 3.8 in the open top, was worth all the money...but that too is massively subjective as many were turned off by the exhaust's noisy open valve antics.
Dynamically it's a softer car than either it's direct relation the GT4 or the revised 718, and for me, all the better for it where I live, and bearing in mind I won't be tracking it.
Having owned it for while now, I must admit the only thing that would tempt me away would be a PDK 718 Spyder. Not available before, I have ALWAYS preferred a manual, but cannot deny the quality of that auto unit, I think that singular alteration changes the game... IF you don't mind the idea of it.
The 718 GT4/Spyder engine is virtually bespoke and designed specifically for the replacements cars and with a very useful 8k rev limit. Ok not quite a GT3 but not far off for half the money too. Furthermore it has addressed the biggest issue with the 981 detuned Carrera S engine in the 981GT4 which is the huge torque drop off which makes little sense in hanging on to the revs. More of a drawback in the 981 GT4 tbh than the less focused 981 Spyder of course.
Yep the 981s sound good externally (although the 981 Spyder rather fart pop in sport plus mode whereas GT4 fixed) which was admittedly slightly lost on the gpf 718s although the greater induction sound and far better economy performance and interior more than make up for it.
Worth pointing out the gearbox action of the Spyder and GT4 in both iterations is one of Porsches finest. Same can be said of the 981 clutch weighting its a shame Porsche made the clutch weighting way too light in the 718 series along with the 991.2 GT3.
Yep the 981s sound good externally (although the 981 Spyder rather fart pop in sport plus mode whereas GT4 fixed) which was admittedly slightly lost on the gpf 718s although the greater induction sound and far better economy performance and interior more than make up for it.
Worth pointing out the gearbox action of the Spyder and GT4 in both iterations is one of Porsches finest. Same can be said of the 981 clutch weighting its a shame Porsche made the clutch weighting way too light in the 718 series along with the 991.2 GT3.
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