£18k 718 S 4 Cylinder vs 90k GT4
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Twinfan said:
Especially a PDK 'boxed version against a manual GT4, no surprise whatsoever.
I'd like to see how they both fare on a full track day. I would expect heat to be an issue for the F4T, along with the brakes if they haven't been upgraded.
I watched all of the series and i think the brakes were giro disc upgrades? because standard looked small with the wheels, could be getting mixed up with an other video though.I'd like to see how they both fare on a full track day. I would expect heat to be an issue for the F4T, along with the brakes if they haven't been upgraded.
Philvrs said:
I watched all of the series and i think the brakes were giro disc upgrades? because standard looked small with the wheels, could be getting mixed up with an other video though.
That'll help for sure but I would guess that the 4-pot calipers will have issues with the heat on track under heavy use, much like the engine will.Twinfan said:
Especially a PDK 'boxed version against a manual GT4, no surprise whatsoever.
I'd like to see how they both fare on a full track day. I would expect heat to be an issue for the F4T, along with the brakes if they haven't been upgraded.
I’ve run a 718 GT4 pdk with proper camber etc against my 2.0 718 race car. My car was running around 320 brake, 3-way Tractives, front APs etc but not particularly light, both cars on A052s. I'd like to see how they both fare on a full track day. I would expect heat to be an issue for the F4T, along with the brakes if they haven't been upgraded.
Round Zandvoort on a trackday and multiple laps the only place the GT had a proper advantage was the start/finish straight, over a lap it was typically 3-4s slower.
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
Steve H said:
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
Well, lap times are irrelevant to most people most of the time. The reasons not to like it involve three easily identifiable aspects:The noise it makes.
The power delivery.
The throttle response.
Which isn't to say everyone must dislike it. You might prefer all three elements on the 718 lump, entirely legitimate. You might then also prefer the added torque, etc, at which point the F4T is a no brainer.
But as an objective fact, the sound, the power delivery and the throttle response are different from the NA F6. So, if you you prefer those elements of the F6, you might really dislike the F4T. Surely - I mean, surely! - and contrary to what you just said, you do actually understand that?
What I don't understand is how anyone who's experienced both engines not being able to appreciate why people will like one over the other. They're so different, it would be weird if most people didn't have a fairly strong preference one way or the other.
Steve H said:
I’ve run a 718 GT4 pdk with proper camber etc against my 2.0 718 race car. My car was running around 320 brake, 3-way Tractives, front APs etc but not particularly light, both cars on A052s.
Round Zandvoort on a trackday and multiple laps the only place the GT had a proper advantage was the start/finish straight, over a lap it was typically 3-4s slower.
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
F4 is a great engine in my view and is great to see what it can do on track in your other thread. For some reason it seems to get a lot of trolling on here but I think that is just this forum. Impressive to see what a tune can do - but no doubt would invalidate my warranty.Round Zandvoort on a trackday and multiple laps the only place the GT had a proper advantage was the start/finish straight, over a lap it was typically 3-4s slower.
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
jimbo761 said:
F4 is a great engine in my view and is great to see what it can do on track in your other thread. For some reason it seems to get a lot of trolling on here but I think that is just this forum. Impressive to see what a tune can do - but no doubt would invalidate my warranty.
The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
Nothing to do with trolling from everyone, nor a forum myth, and everything to do with a subjective opinion. You and others like the F4T which is great. Myself and others hate the F4T, which is also great The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
There's no right or wrong...
no trolling from me, I just don't like the sound, have had a few videos of tuned 2.5s pop up on my IG feed this last week and even with an exhaust swap they do nothing for me at all, I have absolutely no doubt that they are fast , looking at the numbers they make they should blitz a 4.0 but the 6 potter noise is a big part of the appeal for me although the later 4.0 is a little too muted lower in the revs for my liking but makes a nice note up top where it matters.
jimbo761 said:
F4 is a great engine in my view and is great to see what it can do on track in your other thread. For some reason it seems to get a lot of trolling on here but I think that is just this forum. Impressive to see what a tune can do - but no doubt would invalidate my warranty.
The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
jimbo761 said:
Steve H said:
I’ve run a 718 GT4 pdk with proper camber etc against my 2.0 718 race car. My car was running around 320 brake, 3-way Tractives, front APs etc but not particularly light, both cars on A052s.
Round Zandvoort on a trackday and multiple laps the only place the GT had a proper advantage was the start/finish straight, over a lap it was typically 3-4s slower.
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
F4 is a great engine in my view and is great to see what it can do on track in your other thread. For some reason it seems to get a lot of trolling on here but I think that is just this forum. Impressive to see what a tune can do - but no doubt would invalidate my warranty.Round Zandvoort on a trackday and multiple laps the only place the GT had a proper advantage was the start/finish straight, over a lap it was typically 3-4s slower.
A lot of people have the hate for the 4-pot turbo lump, I don’t understand it.
The sound criticism is also a bit of a misnomer, a forum myth really, if you've got one pre GPF they are loud and the sound improves as the miles go on, even with the stock exhaust. Add a GPF of course and everything sounds muted even an NA F6.
Never any point engaging with the usual troll accounts, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who follows this forum which banned returners they actually are...
If you’ve got the car you wanted and are happy with it, that’s really all that matters.
I’ve got a 6 and a 4 cylinder Cayman and I don’t agree about the noise but each to their own 
But the thread seemed to be about how well the base 4-pot measurably works compared to the prestige level 6-pot; that seems pretty clear and I have had a similar result.
The turbo lump should probably be in the GT cars but that’s a commercial decision, if Porsche decided to make a 4 cylinder 3.0 turbo GT4RS it would smash the current version but would damage their sales for every six cylinder Cayman and 911.
But the thread seemed to be about how well the base 4-pot measurably works compared to the prestige level 6-pot; that seems pretty clear and I have had a similar result.
The turbo lump should probably be in the GT cars but that’s a commercial decision, if Porsche decided to make a 4 cylinder 3.0 turbo GT4RS it would smash the current version but would damage their sales for every six cylinder Cayman and 911.
LamedonM said:
I changed my 2016 718 Cayman S PDK for 718 GT4 PDK. One thing, that is very noticeable to me is that the GT4 feels heavier (1450 to 1385kg) whilst cornering etc.
Larger, and therefore heavier, calipers/discs/pads/wheels/tyres. More unspring weight = heavier steering feel.It would be the same with a 981S vs a 981 GT4.
Twinfan said:
Larger, and therefore heavier, calipers/discs/pads/wheels/tyres. More unspring weight = heavier steering feel.
It would be the same with a 981S vs a 981 GT4.
The 981 GT4 is pretty light, a lot lighter then a 718 GT4It would be the same with a 981S vs a 981 GT4.
is the 981 GT4 also more rare?
you can tune a 981 GT4 also to 415 or so hp for not that much, how would such compare to a standard 718 GT4 on track or road.
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