First spy pictures of electric Boxster
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"Spy photographers managed to catch this black-painted, camouflaged-clad prototype of the all-electric 718 Boxster driving on the road, giving us our best look yet at what the production version may look like. Despite dropping the internal combustion engine altogether, the car still maintains a mid-engine silhouette, with a two-seat forward cabin"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a41899673/electr...
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a41899673/electr...
drgav2005 said:
"Spy photographers managed to catch this black-painted, camouflaged-clad prototype of the all-electric 718 Boxster driving on the road, giving us our best look yet at what the production version may look like. Despite dropping the internal combustion engine altogether, the car still maintains a mid-engine silhouette, with a two-seat forward cabin"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a41899673/electr...
Thanks for sharing. Very interesting to see. Appreciate its all hanging together with gaffer tape but the lack of air vents in the side makes it look odd in my opinion, though I am sure they'll craft it to look lovely! https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a41899673/electr...
Proportionally very similar to existing car, but much wider tracks. Suspect it will look pretty good.
But pity they have decided to go with Taycan style headlights. Taycan is a good looking car, but the Cayster had developed its own front end vibe and pity that it's being dropped in favour of the corporate EV visage. EV Macan getting the same headlight treatment, it seems.
Main question mark obviously involves the batteries. You'd have to think it's a bit too soon for solid state. So, the car is either going to be a real lump, up somewhere near the thick end of 2,000kg, or the range is going to be rubbish. Or most likely split the difference and be quite heavy and quite poor range. I'll guess at 70-75kwh battery, 1,700kg and 250-275 miles claimed NEDC range and likely well under 200 miles real-world usable range.
Will still drive pretty well, no doubt, a la Taycan. But odds are this first EV sports car effort will age very badly. If there's a decent amount of battery tech progress in the next 10 years, these earlish EVs are going to look awfully clunky.
And it's not as if you could excuse that in the name of purism or the old school appeal of a nat asp engine or whatever. It'll be an EV, just with (what could very much be by then) really crap battery tech. It's very hard to think of reasons why an old heavy battery with poor range would have lasting appeal or add involvement. Unless worrying about finding a charger qualifies as involvement!
But pity they have decided to go with Taycan style headlights. Taycan is a good looking car, but the Cayster had developed its own front end vibe and pity that it's being dropped in favour of the corporate EV visage. EV Macan getting the same headlight treatment, it seems.
Main question mark obviously involves the batteries. You'd have to think it's a bit too soon for solid state. So, the car is either going to be a real lump, up somewhere near the thick end of 2,000kg, or the range is going to be rubbish. Or most likely split the difference and be quite heavy and quite poor range. I'll guess at 70-75kwh battery, 1,700kg and 250-275 miles claimed NEDC range and likely well under 200 miles real-world usable range.
Will still drive pretty well, no doubt, a la Taycan. But odds are this first EV sports car effort will age very badly. If there's a decent amount of battery tech progress in the next 10 years, these earlish EVs are going to look awfully clunky.
And it's not as if you could excuse that in the name of purism or the old school appeal of a nat asp engine or whatever. It'll be an EV, just with (what could very much be by then) really crap battery tech. It's very hard to think of reasons why an old heavy battery with poor range would have lasting appeal or add involvement. Unless worrying about finding a charger qualifies as involvement!
esotericar said:
Main question mark obviously involves the batteries. You'd have to think it's a bit too soon for solid state. So, the car is either going to be a real lump, up somewhere near the thick end of 2,000kg, or the range is going to be rubbish. Or most likely split the difference and be quite heavy and quite poor range. I'll guess at 70-75kwh battery, 1,700kg and 250-275 miles claimed NEDC range and likely well under 200 miles real-world usable range
I think that's a bit pessimistic. Tesla's current Model 3 is about 1,800kg and has range quite a bit higher than that - 370 claimed WLTP but well over 200 real world. I think that's probably enough. BobM said:
esotericar said:
Main question mark obviously involves the batteries. You'd have to think it's a bit too soon for solid state. So, the car is either going to be a real lump, up somewhere near the thick end of 2,000kg, or the range is going to be rubbish. Or most likely split the difference and be quite heavy and quite poor range. I'll guess at 70-75kwh battery, 1,700kg and 250-275 miles claimed NEDC range and likely well under 200 miles real-world usable range
I think that's a bit pessimistic. Tesla's current Model 3 is about 1,800kg and has range quite a bit higher than that - 370 claimed WLTP but well over 200 real world. I think that's probably enough. EV claimed ranges seem to be less accurate than the pre-NEDC quoted mpg figures and there's no way I'd constantly want to be queuing for non-working charge points.
Solid state may well be the answer but we are probably ten years away from that.
Edited by jimbo761 on Wednesday 9th November 08:29
wisbech said:
OTOH it is mostly a weekend, fun car with limited luggage space not a grand tourer. Why does it need long range? I would have thought keep the weight down
Plenty of reasons. Euro trips. Just a weekend away. Let's say you want to drive to Wales or Scotland or really anywhere that's not near home to experience some fun roads.I also personally don't see Boxsters and Caymans as just weekend fun cars. They have excellent luggage space and on the contrary are very good grand tourers. Perfect for a driving holiday in Europe. Loads of luggage space for two people. Honestly, loads!
Central to their appeal is how usable they are, they are very well packaged and very practical for a mid-engine car. That's the whole point of them - ie they're not just toys you take out for an hour or two at the weekend. They're properly thought out and practical cars.
So, in that context, you want as much range as any other car.
BobM said:
esotericar said:
Main question mark obviously involves the batteries. You'd have to think it's a bit too soon for solid state. So, the car is either going to be a real lump, up somewhere near the thick end of 2,000kg, or the range is going to be rubbish. Or most likely split the difference and be quite heavy and quite poor range. I'll guess at 70-75kwh battery, 1,700kg and 250-275 miles claimed NEDC range and likely well under 200 miles real-world usable range
I think that's a bit pessimistic. Tesla's current Model 3 is about 1,800kg and has range quite a bit higher than that - 370 claimed WLTP but well over 200 real world. I think that's probably enough. If you look at the range of the Taycan versus Model S...at the moment, weight for weight and battery capacity for battery capacity, Tesla gives you much more range than Porsche.
I doubt the electric 718 will be as high as 370 WLTP and I suspect the real-world usable range (taking into consideration in the real world you don't arrive at the charger with zero miles of range left) will be under 200 miles, especially given it's a sports car and you're that much more likely to the use the performance more often.
Anyway, will be interesting to see how it turns out. Hopefully, I am indeed being pessimistic!
esotericar said:
But pity they have decided to go with Taycan style headlights. Taycan is a good looking car, but the Cayster had developed its own front end vibe and pity that it's being dropped in favour of the corporate EV visage. EV Macan getting the same headlight treatment, it seems.
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Look again. They are not taycan shaped lights. The normal looking 718 light appears to be under the tape. !
TTmonkey said:
Look again. They are not taycan shaped lights. The normal looking 718 light appears to be under the tape.
I did look. Very closely. And on the contrary they've added some fake bits to make it look like they're Cayster style lights. I think they are Taycan shaped underneath. Time will tell, but IMO they are very, very likely Taycan style.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff