End of the line for ICE GT4s?

[bosshog]

Given the Cayman is end of line in terms of combustion engines being used has Porsche confirmed there will be no more engined GT4s ?

[julian987R]

bosshog said:

Given the Cayman is end of line in terms of combustion engines being used has Porsche confirmed there will be no more engined GT4s ?

lots of chitter-chatter, even from Porsche

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsch...

and whist the CEO mentioned it

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/official...

(as far as I am aware) no 'formal' press release has been made to rule things in or out....but I suspect it'll be sayonara ICE engine...though to your question on GT4, I'd imagine they might keep that going as a way to try up-sale customers as the only non-electric model in the range....for a while.

Edited by julian987R on Sunday 21st August 15:54

[john41901]

The eco loons would like us to believe that, but the reality is the 2030/2035 bans will end up getting kicked into the long grass, as with the whole set zero insanity.

[D4rez]

john41901 said:

The eco loons would like us to believe that, but the reality is the 2030/2035 bans will end up getting kicked into the long grass, as with the whole set zero insanity.

Incorrect

[LasseV]

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2022/technology...

Hydrogen ICE.

[john41901]

D4rez said:

john41901 said:

The eco loons would like us to believe that, but the reality is the 2030/2035 bans will end up getting kicked into the long grass, as with the whole set zero insanity.

Incorrect

You are from the future?

Loon.

[julian987R]

LasseV said:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2022/technology...

Hydrogen ICE.

Exactly. All to play for. I think in a few decades suckered people will look back and think what was all that EV era about?

[Koln-RS]

john41901 said:

The eco loons would like us to believe that, but the reality is the 2030/2035 bans will end up getting kicked into the long grass, as with the whole set zero insanity.

I suspect otherwise.
There is increasing political pressure to accelerate change and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels - further influenced by this summer’s global weather conditions.
Rightly or wrongly diesel and petrol are seen as major contributors and most manufacturers seem to have recognised that.

[Terminator X]

AP when being interviewed re the GT3RS seemed to suggest ICE still formed part of their plans? Biofuel etc.

TX.

[Terminator X]

Koln-RS said:

john41901 said:

The eco loons would like us to believe that, but the reality is the 2030/2035 bans will end up getting kicked into the long grass, as with the whole set zero insanity.

I suspect otherwise.
There is increasing political pressure to accelerate change and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels - further influenced by this summer’s global weather conditions.
Rightly or wrongly diesel and petrol are seen as major contributors and most manufacturers seem to have recognised that.

Lol and you can't see any possible alternative to an EV future ...

TX.

[Koln-RS]

I never said that.
EV may be the immediate future, but other technology will follow.
In the meantime politicians will legislate the diminishing use of current ICE in many functions.

[GiantCardboardPlato]

julian987R said:

LasseV said:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2022/technology...

Hydrogen ICE.

Exactly. All to play for. I think in a few decades suckered people will look back and think what was all that EV era about?

While H2 may be a viable fuel for combustion in some circumstances (large/heavy vehicles where batteries will not work, cars where people insist on ICE), the energy cost of making H2 is so high, and its energy density so low, (and at the moment production of H2 is from hydrocarbons and produces CO2 anyway), that batteries are more efficient in almost all use cases.

[esotericar]

john41901 said:

You are from the future?

Loon.

You seem to think you're from the future. You're living under a rock if you haven't noticed the entire car industry is moving away from ICE to EV at incredible pace and at the cost of untold billions. But yeah, you know better than the entire industry, but still have time to post on an internet forum!

It's happening, whether the flat earthers like it or not.

[john41901]

GiantCardboardPlato said:

While H2 may be a viable fuel for combustion in some circumstances (large/heavy vehicles where batteries will not work, cars where people insist on ICE), the energy cost of making H2 is so high, and its energy density so low, (and at the moment production of H2 is from hydrocarbons and produces CO2 anyway), that batteries are more efficient in almost all use cases.

So which banned returning poster are you…..?

[esotericar]

john41901 said:

Which banned returning poster are you….?

By which you mean to say, you have little grasp of the basic facts of the discussion, so better just call people loons.

[julian987R]

GiantCardboardPlato said:

julian987R said:

LasseV said:

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_US/2022/technology...

Hydrogen ICE.

Exactly. All to play for. I think in a few decades suckered people will look back and think what was all that EV era about?

While H2 may be a viable fuel for combustion in some circumstances (large/heavy vehicles where batteries will not work, cars where people insist on ICE), the energy cost of making H2 is so high, and its energy density so low, (and at the moment production of H2 is from hydrocarbons and produces CO2 anyway), that batteries are more efficient in almost all use cases.

While EVs on the road have a net-negative impact on carbon emissions, their production is carbon intensive. Research from Berylls Strategy Advisors found that the manufacture of an electric car battery weighing 500kg emits 74% more carbon dioxide than producing a conventional car in Germany.(12 May 2021)

The Fraunhofer Institute for Systems and Innovation Research estimates that a mid-range EV car with a 40 kilowatt-hour (kWh) battery bought in Germany in 2019 would need to drive 52,000km before its lifetime emissions fell below that of comparative diesel or petrol vehicle. For luxury EVs with large batteries (120kWh) that increases to 230,000km.

[GiantCardboardPlato]

It’s a fact that - even if you could do it at the maximum possible efficiency - it costs more energy to make H2 (and O2) from water than you get back by burning H2 in air to make water. In reality you have the kinetics to worry about (overpotential) which you can’t get near the value for DG0 for the production of the H2 anyway.

I understand why people want very very much for combustion engines to survive and electric cars not to be the mainstream solution, but wanting it to be is not going to change the laws of thermodynamics,

[john41901]

esotericar said:

john41901 said:

Which banned returning poster are you….?

By which you mean to say, you have little grasp of the basic facts of the discussion, so better just call people loons.

I know which one you are…

[Terminator X]

esotericar said:

john41901 said:

You are from the future?

Loon.

You seem to think you're from the future. You're living under a rock if you haven't noticed the entire car industry is moving away from ICE to EV at incredible pace and at the cost of untold billions. But yeah, you know better than the entire industry, but still have time to post on an internet forum!

It's happening, whether the flat earthers like it or not.

Did you also bet on diesel a few years back?

Flat earth? Hardly the same thing as petrol vs diesel vs electric vs hydrogen vs something yet to be invented.

TX.

[esotericar]

john41901 said:

I know which one you are…

Which one what? As a matter of fact, I personally have not been banned from PH. Can't comment on any others.

But then we've established that facts are not your strong point.