987: sport chrono or PSE is it a must for you?
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987.2
Keep coming back to these in my head. 2.9 and S
How important are these two options to the driving experience?
Seen some nice 2.9 and S but no Sports Chrono
Is it missed if not having it.
On current Evora NA sports button was an option to improve throttle and is a must on the option list to own, not that it’s required everyday.
PSE, I guess could get aftermarket exhausts for a bit more noise.
Keep coming back to these in my head. 2.9 and S
How important are these two options to the driving experience?
Seen some nice 2.9 and S but no Sports Chrono
Is it missed if not having it.
On current Evora NA sports button was an option to improve throttle and is a must on the option list to own, not that it’s required everyday.
PSE, I guess could get aftermarket exhausts for a bit more noise.
celica88 said:
987.2
Keep coming back to these in my head. 2.9 and S
How important are these two options to the driving experience?
Seen some nice 2.9 and S but no Sports Chrono
Is it missed if not having it.
On current Evora NA sports button was an option to improve throttle and is a must on the option list to own, not that it’s required everyday.
PSE, I guess could get aftermarket exhausts for a bit more noise.
Sport Chrono can be fitted by Porsche (minus the dial in the dash) , sport button and software upgrade,Keep coming back to these in my head. 2.9 and S
How important are these two options to the driving experience?
Seen some nice 2.9 and S but no Sports Chrono
Is it missed if not having it.
On current Evora NA sports button was an option to improve throttle and is a must on the option list to own, not that it’s required everyday.
PSE, I guess could get aftermarket exhausts for a bit more noise.
I had it installed on my recent 987 purchase prior to delivery at Porsche who were selling the car.
Would it be missed, I don't know (just started driving the car after winter hibernation), was one of the only big options missing from the car and asking on PH made the decision that it is worth having.
I actually like that its fitted but no dial in the middle of the dash, everyone's different and some like the dial, not sure I would use the dial anyway.
Cost was £950, presuming some dealers may be less than that, fortunately I got it FOC as the wrong kit came and delayed delivery of the car.
Cant comment on after market exhausts.
You don’t need any .
Below 4 K rpm the exhaust on the 2.9 is muted .Above you hear it .
In a high gear on a motorway say @2 k rpm in top if you floor it you get a lovely induction grunt up to the 4 k then the exhaust.
You can hear the radio properly as well under 3 k rpm .
The 2.9 is responsive enough as is and why shorten clutch life ?
Assume by asking you are in the manual camp ?
Below 4 K rpm the exhaust on the 2.9 is muted .Above you hear it .
In a high gear on a motorway say @2 k rpm in top if you floor it you get a lovely induction grunt up to the 4 k then the exhaust.
You can hear the radio properly as well under 3 k rpm .
The 2.9 is responsive enough as is and why shorten clutch life ?
Assume by asking you are in the manual camp ?
It’s function ( does it very successfully) to extract more £££ out of the original owner .Who is semi hypnotised by the sales executive and for most the internet into ticking the box .
It also gives ammunition to the very same SE at trade in as he sucks his teeth “ no Sports crono hmm “ .
I can’t see any other real world , speed camera, pot holed , traffic queued U.K. road reason for this .Put it in the same bin as “ torque vectoring “ another pork money cash cow .
Have you read the kings new suite as this is the Porsche equivalent ?
FWIW depending on your age and gen feeling of security you might want to brag in a pub about it .
Apart from that I can’t see any use .
But more than happy to here any other rationale for it .All ears ,every days a school day etc etc .
It also gives ammunition to the very same SE at trade in as he sucks his teeth “ no Sports crono hmm “ .
I can’t see any other real world , speed camera, pot holed , traffic queued U.K. road reason for this .Put it in the same bin as “ torque vectoring “ another pork money cash cow .
Have you read the kings new suite as this is the Porsche equivalent ?
FWIW depending on your age and gen feeling of security you might want to brag in a pub about it .
Apart from that I can’t see any use .
But more than happy to here any other rationale for it .All ears ,every days a school day etc etc .
I've got a 987.2 manual 2.9 and I certainly don't feel short changed that it's missing sport-chrono. It's plenty responsive enough and the car is already quick enough for 99% of road driving situations in the UK. I can't speak for PDK cars as I've never driven one, but I can see it would be useful.
PSE I think is more desirable. That said, mine doesn't have it but does have a Carnewal exhaust. I'm super pleased with it as it's quiet and doesn't drone at lower rpms but sounds glorious above ~4500 rpm.
PSE I think is more desirable. That said, mine doesn't have it but does have a Carnewal exhaust. I'm super pleased with it as it's quiet and doesn't drone at lower rpms but sounds glorious above ~4500 rpm.
I don't have sports chrono on my 981, I actually made a point of buying a car without it. Cars fitted with it will have the added advantage (?) of having active engine mounts which seem to pack up from time to time and are not cheap to replace. The clock and lap times stuff would be of no use to me and if anything I would prefer to own a car that has not been launched and tracked to death so my choice would always be to choose a car without the SC option.
The PSE I would not want to be without, its nice to have the choice and sounds great.
The PSE I would not want to be without, its nice to have the choice and sounds great.
JohnnyMac said:
To me the Sport Chrono is only a must have if the car is PDK, I wouldn't buy a PDK car without Sport Chrono.
Totally. The whole car comes alive when it’s switched on, it’s how Porsche would have it normally but the standard setting better for emissions regs and all that. Try both for sure and you’ll see what we mean..
Fiammetta said:
It’s function ( does it very successfully) to extract more £££ out of the original owner .Who is semi hypnotised by the sales executive and for most the internet into ticking the box .
It also gives ammunition to the very same SE at trade in as he sucks his teeth “ no Sports crono hmm “ .
I can’t see any other real world , speed camera, pot holed , traffic queued U.K. road reason for this .Put it in the same bin as “ torque vectoring “ another pork money cash cow .
Have you read the kings new suite as this is the Porsche equivalent ?
FWIW depending on your age and gen feeling of security you might want to brag in a pub about it .
Apart from that I can’t see any use .
But more than happy to here any other rationale for it .All ears ,every days a school day etc etc .
It also gives ammunition to the very same SE at trade in as he sucks his teeth “ no Sports crono hmm “ .
I can’t see any other real world , speed camera, pot holed , traffic queued U.K. road reason for this .Put it in the same bin as “ torque vectoring “ another pork money cash cow .
Have you read the kings new suite as this is the Porsche equivalent ?
FWIW depending on your age and gen feeling of security you might want to brag in a pub about it .
Apart from that I can’t see any use .
But more than happy to here any other rationale for it .All ears ,every days a school day etc etc .
SpyderMatt said:
JohnnyMac said:
To me the Sport Chrono is only a must have if the car is PDK, I wouldn't buy a PDK car without Sport Chrono.
Totally. The whole car comes alive when it’s switched on, it’s how Porsche would have it normally but the standard setting better for emissions regs and all that. Try both for sure and you’ll see what we mean..Really like having PSE on .2 S. I like the difference in sound with it either turned off or on so nice to have the choice when out for a drive.
Sports chrono, never had it in my manual P cars so can’t say although never actively looked for it when purchasing (definitely would for PSE).
Sports chrono, never had it in my manual P cars so can’t say although never actively looked for it when purchasing (definitely would for PSE).
My latest .2 'S' has Sports Chrono but not PSE.
it's the only one of three that I've owned that's had either.
I do think Chrono makes a big difference to the driving experience but I could live without it. I never felt shortchanged by either of its predecessors' throttle response nor performance. I'd say I only actually use it about 30% of the time and usually forget to turn it on.
If I do, I automatically switch the PASM back to normal mode.
I had a Carnewal 'R' system on my first 987.2. It was excellent and plenty loud enough, but a little too much at times in built up areas. Being unable to turn it off like you can in the PSE was a drawback on quiet mornings etc.
it's the only one of three that I've owned that's had either.
I do think Chrono makes a big difference to the driving experience but I could live without it. I never felt shortchanged by either of its predecessors' throttle response nor performance. I'd say I only actually use it about 30% of the time and usually forget to turn it on.
If I do, I automatically switch the PASM back to normal mode.
I had a Carnewal 'R' system on my first 987.2. It was excellent and plenty loud enough, but a little too much at times in built up areas. Being unable to turn it off like you can in the PSE was a drawback on quiet mornings etc.
Chrono does not improve throttle response. That's a measure of how quickly the engine responds to throttle pedal inputs.
Chrono changes the throttle pedal mapping. It merely adjusts the relationship between pedal position and throttle opening. Move your foot a bit more and you will get exactly the same result from a non-Chrono car. If Chrono actually improved throttle response, moving your foot more wouldn't help.
Chrono changes the throttle pedal mapping. It merely adjusts the relationship between pedal position and throttle opening. Move your foot a bit more and you will get exactly the same result from a non-Chrono car. If Chrono actually improved throttle response, moving your foot more wouldn't help.
On a 981, Sports+ is a notable difference from Sport mode. The throttle response is much sharper still. The stability control as Lexington pointed out, is dialled down more. The engine mounts stiffening with revs is also very apparent when you corner above 4K.. In a manual, the auto-blip is lovely, and if you have PSE, the mapping for the exhaust behaviour is different too. The track timer/G-force stuff is of no interest to me.
To me, the difference between Sport & Sport+ mode is greater than between normal & Sport. I wouldn’t have one without it, personally. It makes the car feel how it should. It’s much more alive (and thirsty) in sport+. I leave it on unless I’m on the motorway.
The PADM failures are far more frequent than they should be - this is the only downside. That said, if you’re on the warranty train, who cares? Equally, I’m not renewing my warranty - the cost of a PADM replacement is less than the warranty cost.. just bear in mind it’s the a decent bill that you can probably expect to get at some completely random point.
To me, the difference between Sport & Sport+ mode is greater than between normal & Sport. I wouldn’t have one without it, personally. It makes the car feel how it should. It’s much more alive (and thirsty) in sport+. I leave it on unless I’m on the motorway.
The PADM failures are far more frequent than they should be - this is the only downside. That said, if you’re on the warranty train, who cares? Equally, I’m not renewing my warranty - the cost of a PADM replacement is less than the warranty cost.. just bear in mind it’s the a decent bill that you can probably expect to get at some completely random point.
Royal Jelly said:
Equally, I’m not renewing my warranty - the cost of a PADM replacement is less than the warranty cost..
There is obviously much more than the PADM angle to consider in making that decision, but that should hopefully work out a bit cheaper for you - I am sure Cay made the right decision for him:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I have a manual R which has both chrono and PSE. For me when I was considering my purchase last year these were must haves for me, and after living with them I still have the same view.
PSE just allows the organic noise from the engine to come through and sounds fantastic without being unsociable in any way. It just sounds better (to me). I have it on most of the time unless on motorways, or long constant speed type roads.
The chrono function does make a noticable difference to throttle response making the car feel sharper and even more responsive. Improves heel/toe downshifts too as less input needed on the throttle. If you have never had chrono would you miss it, probably not. But once you've used it for a while I really notice the difference when switched off.
PSE just allows the organic noise from the engine to come through and sounds fantastic without being unsociable in any way. It just sounds better (to me). I have it on most of the time unless on motorways, or long constant speed type roads.
The chrono function does make a noticable difference to throttle response making the car feel sharper and even more responsive. Improves heel/toe downshifts too as less input needed on the throttle. If you have never had chrono would you miss it, probably not. But once you've used it for a while I really notice the difference when switched off.
AAAndy said:
But once you've used it for a while I really notice the difference when switched off.
Worth bearing in mind the pedal mapping with Chrono 'off' is not the same as a car without Chrono. It's deader, so to speak, than the standard non-Chrono mapping. The 'off' mapping in a Chrono car really is awful.In pedal mapping terms, you can achieve everything that Chrono does with aftermarket sprint booster thing. Or as above you can add the Chrono mapping and button easily enough, just not the clock (which is useless anyway).
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