End of GT4 production

[burman]

Talking to an OPC sales guy today it seems the GT4 and GT4 Spyder has gone on the N/A list if you were about to place a new order.
Sounds to me like Porsche have taken the decision as a result of the chip shortage ( amongst other shortages in the auto industry like PVC of all things!)
This will have the effect of pushing up used prices especially of PDK versions which must be like hens teeth.

[jzma]

Will chase my OPC up tomorrow, I have a deposit down (no allocation) so wonder what will happen?

[Joscal]

Could end up being the end of an era? Wonderful machines and probably never to be repeated.

[L.Len]

Glad I’m collecting mine 1st September then gt4 pdk. Certainly help resale value if they are stopped

[julian987R]

burman said:

Talking to an OPC sales guy today it seems the GT4 and GT4 Spyder has gone on the N/A list if you were about to place a new order.
Sounds to me like Porsche have taken the decision as a result of the chip shortage ( amongst other shortages in the auto industry like PVC of all things!)
This will have the effect of pushing up used prices especially of PDK versions which must be like hens teeth.

This is old news. The 718, as is, cannot be sold in Europe for 2022, since for 2022 onwards the EU mandates features like speed limit aware speed limiters, drowsiness and distraction detection, auto emergency braking, collision data recorders, pre-wiring for alcohol interlocks, and a larger soft area in the front to absorb pedestrian head impacts.

As ever, an OPC sales guy has missed an earlier memo. I mean this news is well over a year old.

But fear not, Porsche's GT4/GTS N/A Flat-Six Will Stick Around Until 2026, just not in the guise of the 718 as we currently know it. Porsche’s Dr Frank Walliser confirmed all of this last year! I love how out of touch OPC’s are.

[arcamalpha]

julian987R said:

This is old news. The 718, as is, cannot be sold in Europe for 2022, since for 2022 onwards….

My understanding is different-I think that all current cars can continue to be sold. But new model cars eg a type ‘982+1’ will need the various safety systems.

[webstercivet]

Yep Julian has "missed a memo". The 2022 date applies to newly-launched models. Existing models of new car can be sold without the speed limiter etc until 2024.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

"The European Commission has reached a provisional agreement that all new vehicles sold in Europe will be fitted with a speed limiter as a legal requirement from 6 July 2022. The 2019/2044 regulation also mandates all new cars that have already launched be fitted with an Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) by 7 July 2024."

[OPOGTS]

Wonder if this applies to the GTS 4.0 also then?

[Holgate86]

L.Len said:

Glad I’m collecting mine 1st September then gt4 pdk. Certainly help resale value if they are stopped

Suppose that’ll improve the driving experience exponentially….

[finmac]

webstercivet said:

Yep Julian has "missed a memo". The 2022 date applies to newly-launched models. Existing models of new car can be sold without the speed limiter etc until 2024.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

"The European Commission has reached a provisional agreement that all new vehicles sold in Europe will be fitted with a speed limiter as a legal requirement from 6 July 2022. The 2019/2044 regulation also mandates all new cars that have already launched be fitted with an Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) by 7 July 2024."

So, on that basis the new Macan just launched won’t need any of this crap either then - until 2024, assuming it’s even still in production then?

[julian987R]

webstercivet said:

Yep Julian has "missed a memo". The 2022 date applies to newly-launched models. Existing models of new car can be sold without the speed limiter etc until 2024.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/mandator...

"The European Commission has reached a provisional agreement that all new vehicles sold in Europe will be fitted with a speed limiter as a legal requirement from 6 July 2022. The 2019/2044 regulation also mandates all new cars that have already launched be fitted with an Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) by 7 July 2024."

Indeed i did. I acknowledged my error, though only went on what Porsche's press release was...but I guess circumstances things have changed since then. Again, i stand corrected.

[testdrive]

Wouldn't it be relatively easy for them to introduce the speed limiter anyway.

[julian987R]

testdrive said:

Wouldn't it be relatively easy for them to introduce the speed limiter anyway.

Probably, and thats the least of their problems to solve on the list.

[APOLO1]

julian987R said:

But fear not, Porsche's GT4/GTS N/A Flat-Six Will Stick Around Until 2026, just not in the guise of the 718 as we currently know it. Porsche’s Dr Frank Walliser confirmed all of this last year! I love how out of touch OPC’s are.

Shame the 4.0 NA from the 718s wont be going into the 992s, It a great engine .

“The 4.0-litre engine in the GTS can’t be rotated through 180 degrees to fit in the 911. We will not see them again [N/A engines in the Carrera range]. I’m sorry about that,” he said. “The R&D costs are too high to develop such an engine for the Carrera,” he added.

When Car Throttle spoke to Porsche GT chief Andreas Preuninger last year, a similar argument was used for the 911 GT3/Speedster engine not being used in the GT4. If you need to flip the thing around to put the gearbox in the right place for a mid-engine configuration, a bunch of other stuff needs to be moved too. “You can make it fit in with a hammer and take sheet metal out, but that’s not fit for mass production,” he concluded.

[gtsralph]

My previous 981 Cayman S PDK was fitted with a 3.8L Carrera S engine in Germany, many more done in the USA since 987.1 generation - this not being able to reverse the engine orientation is nonsense, just keep the original gearbox though.

[Twinfan]

gtsralph said:

My previous 981 Cayman S PDK was fitted with a 3.8L Carrera S engine in Germany, many more done in the USA since 987.1 generation - this not being able to reverse the engine orientation is nonsense, just keep the original gearbox though.

Bit different though Ralph, the 3.4 and 3.8 engines and the chassis they came from were virtually identical as far as I understand it.

The new 982 4.0 and 992 F6T units will have differences due to the turbos, much increased capacity, relocation of ancilliaries, chassis mounting points etc.

[GT4P]

Like the 9x7.2 engines 3.4,3.6,3.8 is not the 4.0 na a bored out version or a derivative of the 3.0 turbo so where’s the problem

[Twinfan]

Like I said above I think it's bored out, has turbos removed and ancilliaries placed in different positions to facilitate location in the 981/982 chassis. Mounting points may well be different too.

I don't know for sure though, it would be good to hear something definitive on the subject

[GT4P]

Apart from a machined out crankcase to increase capacity on the 992 all the other components ie pistons , heads etc could be carried over from 4.0 caysters

[Twinfan]

And if the 992 chassis is a snug fit around the current turbos, intercooler and radiator pipework layout how will they accomodate the changes made to make it a 4.0 that fits in the 982 chassis (for example)?

I get the impression that development has occured to make it fit in a 982 shell, but that doesn't mean you can copy and paste it into a 992 shell