GT4 - comfort seats or full buckets

[1WEL]

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Edited by 1WEL on Tuesday 10th March 19:17

[2010spy]

If you like the comfort seats stick with them. I wish I’d put them on my GT3 Touring rather then full buckets. Much better if you use the car as a ‘daily’.

[av185]

The correct answer is spec which seats are right for you.

Depends on your intended use of the car too.

Bear in mind a GT4 with comforts is worth considerably more ££ and way in excess of the option cost new over a comfort seated car the latter of which will also be alot harder to sell.

Also you sit alot lower in the car with buckets (especially the p11s) compared to comforts. This sitting in rather than on the cars chassis is a major plus and adds greatly to the overall driving experience of a Porsche GT.

I find the p11 Spyder buckets far more comfortable than the comforts btw.

Edited by av185 on Monday 9th March 20:44

[1WEL]

av185 said:

Bear in mind a GT4 with comforts is worth considerably more ££ and way in excess of the option cost new over a comfort seated car the latter of which will also be alot harder to sell.

did you mean a GT4 with carbon buckets is worth considerably more ££

[2010spy]

Not sure you sit lower with buckets? My buckets feel much higher than my comforts? Feels the opposite for me.

[av185]

1WEL said:

av185 said:

Bear in mind a GT4 with comforts is worth considerably more ££ and way in excess of the option cost new over a comfort seated car the latter of which will also be alot harder to sell.

did you mean a GT4 with carbon buckets is worth considerably more ££

Sorry yes typo error

[av185]

2010spy said:

Not sure you sit lower with buckets? My buckets feel much higher than my comforts? Feels the opposite for me.

The older fixed height p3 folding buckets are slightly higher than the electrically adjustable p11 buckets at their lowest point.

Both bucket seat types are lower than the comforts.

[Twinfan]

In my opinion, if you'd rather have comfort seats you should buy a GTS 4.0 not a 718 GT4.

GT cars should always have buckets!

[jcosh]

Seats are a very personal choice and can make for some heated responses, but there is no right or wrong answer - just peoples preferences.

You have to try them and figure out what works best for your requirements. I’ve had buckets in a previous GT3 and now have 18 way seats in a GT4 and also a 911 GTS. I like them fo their versatility. they are many seats in one and suite my preference for comfort and adjustment. But they are also perfectly good on track once you tighten them up. If your primary use is track days and not regular distance driving and you get comfortable in them, then the buckets will be great and they look good, suiting the purposeful look of the car. But if you you are not comfortable and struggle to get in or out then you are stuck with any adjustment possibilities.

And don’t believe the hype about non bucket seat cars being worth less than bucket seats cars. I know this from very recent experience of getting strong trade bids on my car.

[Koln-RS]

The seat is your direct contact with the car, so it’s really important that you choose the seats that are most comfortable and practical for you and your passenger’s intended use - especially over a long journey.
Each type of seat has its ‘pros and cons’, but only you can decide what best suits your needs.

[LM240]

Your money, your car is always the right view in terms of choosing what you want.

My personal choice would always be the buckets for this type of car. I think if you ever sell it would seen as a negative. The seats just don’t match the ethos of the car.

[Porsche911R]

jcosh said:

And don’t believe the hype about non bucket seat cars being worth less than bucket seats cars. I know this from very recent experience of getting strong trade bids on my car.

it's VERY real 997 GT4 a £10k gap, 997.2 GT3 a 10k gap, Cayman R about a £5k gap same with Spyders, GT4 about £5k to 10k gap.

I agree if you buy a Cayman S it's not worth less with comforts, so you are right if it were that model :-)

[diffstar]

GT cars have got a lot softer so old rules don't necessarily apply.

For me buckets are bloody amazing and improve the driving experience, if your GT car is gonna to spend some serious time on a track then there is only one option. But if it isn't, the one big issue is getting in and out of the car. It stopped me using the car as much, as I often nip to the shop to grab a pint of milk and come back a 2 hours later 🙄...........but when parked in Salisburys you really need the door open wider to ease ingress and egress, this is not always easy.

[Twinfan]

diffstar said:

you really need the door open wider to ease ingress and egress, this is not always easy.

I find that with Caymans anyway, regardless of seat type. Sliding it right back before exiting can help.

[jcosh]

Porsche911R said:

jcosh said:

And don’t believe the hype about non bucket seat cars being worth less than bucket seats cars. I know this from very recent experience of getting strong trade bids on my car.

it's VERY real 997 GT4 a £10k gap, 997.2 GT3 a 10k gap, Cayman R about a £5k gap same with Spyders, GT4 about £5k to 10k gap.

I agree if you buy a Cayman S it's not worth less with comforts, so you are right if it were that model :-)

Nonsense! Trust me the recent trade bids on my car would not have been £10k more had I had buckets! If they had been I would have been bid more than the retail price of the most expensive cars currently on the market. In fact some people actively want cars with 18 way seats if the rest of the spec is right as there is a demand for GT cars to be specced that way. With the 996 / 997 GT cars this is less so, as they are a more track focused experience, but GT4 and 991. GT3 are more more road usable these days and therefore 18way seats can be more attractive for some owners. Hence why leather, contrast stitching and carbon etc are so popular, it a more luxury / comfort experience. My 996 GT3 had non of that, just buckets, a roll cage and a fire extinguisher. Because it was track car and a terrible road car.

I suspect that since you don't track your highly specced GT3 you’d be better off with the versatility of 18 ways rather than the compromised buckets. They would go well with all the leather, and stitching and carbon and Bose etc etc.

Could you please stop spouting your opinions as facts, ta.

[Porsche911R]

jcosh said:

Nonsense! Trust me the recent trade bids on my car would not have been £10k more had I had buckets! If they had been I would have been bid more than the retail price of the most expensive cars currently on the market. In fact some people actively want cars with 18 way seats if the rest of the spec is right as there is a demand for GT cars to be specced that way. With the 996 / 997 GT cars this is less so, as they are a more track focused experience, but GT4 and 991. GT3 are more more road usable these days and therefore 18way seats can be more attractive for some owners. Hence why leather, contrast stitching and carbon etc are so popular, it a more luxury / comfort experience. My 996 GT3 had non of that, just buckets, a roll cage and a fire extinguisher. Because it was track car and a terrible road car.

I suspect that since you don't track your highly specced GT3 you’d be better off with the versatility of 18 ways rather than the compromised buckets. They would go well with all the leather, and stitching and carbon and Bose etc etc.

Could you please stop spouting your opinions as facts, ta.

what was the bid ?

Funny how every one knows what I do with my cars lol.

7 of the 10 OPC GT4 are comforts not selling the bottom 3 prices are comfort cars.

facts you say !!

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 10th March 09:31

[boxsey]

OP hasn't said if they are buying a new or used GT4. If the latter then it's a simple case of them paying more for a bucket car or less for a comfort car. And when/if they decide to sell later the same differential will apply so the depreciation cost will be about the same.

[jcosh]

Porsche911R said:

jcosh said:

Nonsense! Trust me the recent trade bids on my car would not have been £10k more had I had buckets! If they had been I would have been bid more than the retail price of the most expensive cars currently on the market. In fact some people actively want cars with 18 way seats if the rest of the spec is right as there is a demand for GT cars to be specced that way. With the 996 / 997 GT cars this is less so, as they are a more track focused experience, but GT4 and 991. GT3 are more more road usable these days and therefore 18way seats can be more attractive for some owners. Hence why leather, contrast stitching and carbon etc are so popular, it a more luxury / comfort experience. My 996 GT3 had non of that, just buckets, a roll cage and a fire extinguisher. Because it was track car and a terrible road car.

I suspect that since you don't track your highly specced GT3 you’d be better off with the versatility of 18 ways rather than the compromised buckets. They would go well with all the leather, and stitching and carbon and Bose etc etc.

Could you please stop spouting your opinions as facts, ta.

what was the bid ?

Funny how every one knows what I do with my cars lol.

7 of the 10 OPC GT4 are comforts not selling the bottom 3 prices are comfort cars.

facts you say !!

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 10th March 09:31

I'm not going to tell you what the bids were on my car. I'm now keeping it, so it doesn't matter.

Not everyone knows what you do with your cars, but we all know you have a perfectly specced GT3 with buckets etc that you have never tracked.

And the two highest priced GT4's have 18 way seats and more miles than the cheaper cars, what does that tell you?

Yes, I do say facts! You say whatever suits your agenda and package it up as facts, when more often than not it's the nonsense of somebody who seems to know everything about everything to do with Porsche's apart from how to actually enjoy them. .

[Porsche911R]

jcosh said:

And the two highest priced GT4's have 18 way seats and more miles than the cheaper cars, what does that tell you?

if they are still for sale it tells me they are over priced, that simple.
Dealers are selling some cars at cost with £10k drops as they over bidded and still don't know the market after 20 years in it !
lets follow the prices of the 2 top OPC cars see what happens as they are not going to sell any time soon imo.
Retail for a sub 15kmile car is sub £70k atm to sell one in real life :-) and as an outright bid you are looking min 10% and upto 15% off that,

If you get a high bid in this market they end up selling at cost price in 3 months, we see it time and time again.

while comforts do sell the ratio must be down to 20% vs 80% as the 2nd hand market demands buckets, it's that simple, new cars always get a load of comfort orders, again it's always been like that nothing new and nothing funny or odd about it.

if you want to live in la la land that's fine ;-) nice place to be posting on forums with your fingers in your ears.

As a trader I would not bid on a GT4 starting with a 6 on a comfort spec car knowing it will just bloody sit there all summer, infact I would not even offer to buy the car.
SOR cars in this market have sat over 12 months !!! same old cars most comfort specs.

[jcosh]

Porsche911R said:

jcosh said:

And the two highest priced GT4's have 18 way seats and more miles than the cheaper cars, what does that tell you?

if they are still for sale it tells me they are over priced, that simple.
Dealers are selling some cars at cost with £10k drops as they over bidded and still don't know the market after 20 years in it !
lets follow the prices of the 2 top OPC cars see what happens as they are not going to sell any time soon imo.
Retail for a sub 15kmile car is sub £70k atm to sell one in real life :-) and as an outright bid you are looking min 10% and upto 15% off that,

If you get a high bid in this market they end up selling at cost price in 3 months, we see it time and time again.

while comforts do sell the ratio must be down to 20% vs 80% as the 2nd hand market demands buckets, it's that simple, new cars always get a load of comfort orders, again it's always been like that nothing new and nothing funny or odd about it.

if you want to live in la la land that's fine ;-) nice place to be posting on forums with your fingers in your ears.

As a trader I would not bid on a GT4 starting with a 6 on a comfort spec car knowing it will just bloody sit there all summer, infact I would not even offer to buy the car.
SOR cars in this market have sat over 12 months !!! same old cars most comfort specs.

Of course they are still for sale, as are all the other cars that are still for sale. They are still for sale until they are sold. What drivel.

'Dealers don't know the market after twenty years', what are you on about?

You are wrong on price, based on bids I had last week. Again, just your usual nonsense.

Good job you are not a trader then, I think it would be a very short and expensive career option for you. Although quite entertaining for onlookers.


Back to the OP, buy what suits your needs in the spec and colour etc you prefer and if you want to try a GT4 with 18 way seats in the Sussex area, you are more than welcome. In the meantime, ignore the resident know it all, as he only offers opinions to suit his agenda.