GT4 PCCB or not PCCB
Discussion
On the subject of PCCBs I'm a big fan, love the feel, low brake dust, and zero corrosion issues. Weight saving I doubt I could ever tell the difference TBO.
However I have gone for steels on my GT4 as they also feel great, and I plan to do quite a few track days, and prefer steels for that reason.
If only road use I'd have gone PCCBs.
PS - The steels can be prone to a bit of squealing at low speeds, if that bothers you.
However I have gone for steels on my GT4 as they also feel great, and I plan to do quite a few track days, and prefer steels for that reason.
If only road use I'd have gone PCCBs.
PS - The steels can be prone to a bit of squealing at low speeds, if that bothers you.
Edited by Sandy59 on Monday 26th October 19:49
R1nur said:
The car has zero depreciation. Order what you want. It's free.
The only time you can go mad on the spec is now.
Do you think a PCCB car can fetch £5k more than a steel shod car 2nd hand ?The only time you can go mad on the spec is now.
So while it might be free, man maths ;-) , come resale time I doubt you will get the £5k extra back.
if cars atm can fetch £30k overs in the right spec, can specing a £85k car really return £115k or is £115k just now too much for a Cayman ?
Specing PCCB was 8% of the cars value after all.
If the car had 991 S brakes or worse normal Cayman brakes I would have ticked the £5k box, but the GT4 has 6 pot 380MM GT3 brakes, is that lacking ?
After nearly a year of waiting for my GT4 i am expecting delivery next month.This has given me plenty of time to deliberate over my final spec.A day before order lockdown plucked up the courage to change from steels to PCCB knowing it was final!. Reasons for speccing PCCB was on advice from Autocar and to keep car as light as possible as well as LWBS but no PDLS or clubsport to save weight.PCCB saves 17kg,LWBS saves 14kg,PDLS adds 6kg and clubsport adds a whopping 26kg! Also at £4977 a bargain relative to GT3,GT3RS at £6248.
Sandy59 said:
On the subject of PCCBs I'm a big fan, love the feel, low brake dust, and zero corrosion issues. Weight saving I doubt I could ever tell the difference TBO.
However I have gone for steels on my GT4 as they also feel great, and I plan to do quite a few track days, and prefer steels for that reason.
If only road use I'd have gone PCCBs.
This. Thank you Sandy - I would have written almost exactly this.However I have gone for steels on my GT4 as they also feel great, and I plan to do quite a few track days, and prefer steels for that reason.
If only road use I'd have gone PCCBs.
After 3 PCCB cars in a row - including my current Cayman S - I've spec'd the steels for my GT4. I'm not really expecting to notice the difference other than when cleaning. My car arrives soon - I'll let you know if regrets surface!
Taffy66 said:
After nearly a year of waiting for my GT4 i am expecting delivery next month.This has given me plenty of time to deliberate over my final spec.A day before order lockdown plucked up the courage to change from steels to PCCB knowing it was final!. Reasons for speccing PCCB was on advice from Autocar and to keep car as light as possible as well as LWBS but no PDLS or clubsport to save weight.PCCB saves 17kg,LWBS saves 14kg,PDLS adds 6kg and clubsport adds a whopping 26kg! Also at £4977 a bargain relative to GT3,GT3RS at £6248.
PDLS adds weight because of the much bigger wash bottle> empty it and you would lose most of the weight.clubsport weight is unavoidable if you want harnesses and will add rigidity to the chassis. did you add the lithium battery option as that saves 13kg as well?
The thing to note is that some 19" wheels are going to be able to fit over the steels and if you get true forged wheels, the weight savings will be more significant. with pccb, i believe 19" wheels are no go.
even considering the above, i, too, splurged for pccb. somehow, the allure of having 918 brakes are too great.
PCCB's saves 17Kilos x the unsprung rotational mass factor -- is this four or five times ?
I ask the question because I'm sure that somebody will come along who knows ...
The faster you go, the more of an advantage PCCB's become.
As for the Lithium battery, I liked the sound of it, but worried about the practicality in Winter. Sure it saves 13 kilos but it's only around a third of the capacity ?
I ask the question because I'm sure that somebody will come along who knows ...
The faster you go, the more of an advantage PCCB's become.
As for the Lithium battery, I liked the sound of it, but worried about the practicality in Winter. Sure it saves 13 kilos but it's only around a third of the capacity ?
PorscheGT4 said:
R1nur said:
The car has zero depreciation. Order what you want. It's free.
The only time you can go mad on the spec is now.
Do you think a PCCB car can fetch £5k more than a steel shod car 2nd hand ?The only time you can go mad on the spec is now.
So while it might be free, man maths ;-) , come resale time I doubt you will get the £5k extra back.
if cars atm can fetch £30k overs in the right spec, can specing a £85k car really return £115k or is £115k just now too much for a Cayman ?
Specing PCCB was 8% of the cars value after all.
If the car had 991 S brakes or worse normal Cayman brakes I would have ticked the £5k box, but the GT4 has 6 pot 380MM GT3 brakes, is that lacking ?
I had also specced lightweight battery,black wheels and PDLS before adding PCCB but when i added PCCB on top car went over my self imposed price limit!I was torn between carmine and guard red but chose guards because its free and one of the best colours in the GT4.My decision on getting PCCB forced my hand on other choices.Being a tightfisted welshman forbid me from speccing clubsport at £3000 as its free on GT3.I am not intending to track my GT4 often so feel my spec suits me!
Sandy59 said:
Basically it's not a question that has a right or wrong answer IMO.
I've had a car with pccb and they are indeed impressive but I didn't pay for them new, my reasoning for not ordering them on my GT4 was that I didn't feel the yellow will go with GR and the caliber sizes are the same as pccb so look just as good though I appreciate the disks aren't as large. It Also meant I felt more inclined to spend extra on luxury interior parts such as carbon and swathes of alcantara. My build came to 73.5k so quite sensible . As sandy has said no wrong or right answer
Steve Rance said:
As already said. If you intend to track your car buy steels. Ceramics give you no performance advantage and are quite easy to damage.
Ditto and while saving on unsprung weight is always a good thing, remember that each wheel and tyre weighs over 20kg and you can add quite a bit to that for the suspension components - so percentage-wise the difference is not as great as you might think. The weight of different tyre brands varies by 3kg a wheel or more too.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff