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This will get Cayman fans excited. PH gets a mention. 
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Searc...
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-new-cars/Searc...
The new, be-winged 2015 Porsche Cayman GT4 coupe has been caught testing near the Nurburgring in Germany by CAR magazine's spy photographers.
It's a major change for the Porsche Cayman sports car: the GT4 is due to become the first factory-finished turbocharged Cayman in the model's eight-year history and it's the first roadgoing Porsche expected to deploy the GT4 badge.
Following in the footsteps of the Cayman R - and then some - the forced-induction Cayman GT4 is bound to raise questions with enthusiasts, who are already fretting over the revvy nature of its turbocharged flat-six in forums such as Pistonheads.
CAR understands the engine powering the GT4 is the company's 3.8-litre twin-turbo boxer six, tuned to develop around 450bhp.
It's a major change for the Porsche Cayman sports car: the GT4 is due to become the first factory-finished turbocharged Cayman in the model's eight-year history and it's the first roadgoing Porsche expected to deploy the GT4 badge.
Following in the footsteps of the Cayman R - and then some - the forced-induction Cayman GT4 is bound to raise questions with enthusiasts, who are already fretting over the revvy nature of its turbocharged flat-six in forums such as Pistonheads.
CAR understands the engine powering the GT4 is the company's 3.8-litre twin-turbo boxer six, tuned to develop around 450bhp.
The rumored starting price (no options) is $120,000 USD according to MotorTrend's Johnny Lieberman. For comparison, a Cayman GTS is $75,000 USD. That is Carrera 4S with PowerKit money, and only $10,000 USD shy of a 911 GT3.
3.8L bi-turbo making 450HP is certainly plausible. That's 996 Turbo S power output (which made about 460lb-ft of torque as well). If it's still RWD, and weight is kept to within 50kg of the Cayman GTS, it would be absolutely nuts. Power to weight ratio would be lower than a GT3, but it'd also have a mountain more torque.
We'll find out next year, I would assume at Geneva. I doubt many GTS buyers would switch, as the cost to "move up" would be brutal. Running costs won't be cheap either. Plus it's not as every day as a GTS. For me, I've already ruled it out.
3.8L bi-turbo making 450HP is certainly plausible. That's 996 Turbo S power output (which made about 460lb-ft of torque as well). If it's still RWD, and weight is kept to within 50kg of the Cayman GTS, it would be absolutely nuts. Power to weight ratio would be lower than a GT3, but it'd also have a mountain more torque.
We'll find out next year, I would assume at Geneva. I doubt many GTS buyers would switch, as the cost to "move up" would be brutal. Running costs won't be cheap either. Plus it's not as every day as a GTS. For me, I've already ruled it out.
anonymous said:
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Beats me. Ask 996 Turbo S owners what the point of their car was.The big point would be a drastically different power delivery characteristic. A GTS produces a peak of 280lb-ft. The 996 Turbo S produced 457lb-ft. Imagine an RWD Cayman with that much torque (and possibly with rear-wheel steering). Would be a VERY interesting car.
I've got a deposit down for one of these should the media predictions become a reality. the idea of a Cayman on a diet with more power and a race honed chassis (the initial reports are that it'll be homologated for competition) rather appeals, as the 911 gets fatter and more tech laden.
Is this going to be released as a homologation car for the FIA GT4 series? (amateur drivers, prepped track day level cars)
Are Porsche going to try and increase their customer motorsports revenue stream off the back of this car or are they just using the name of the series that sits below GT3 in the FIA system?
Porsche already tried to push the Cayman in this and had them homologated for the GT4 series (its converted via a purchased add on kit) however no one was using it and it was replaced by first a street GT3 and then by a downgrade package for early Cups. In spite of this Porsche have no real exposure so far in this series.
If the plan is to try to increase cars running in this series then a look at the cars that are homologated makes for interesting reading (in terms of what this cayman GT4 if it appears will be like) given that the series runs balance of power.
Approx weight and power:
BMW M3 GT4: 1380kg, 420hp
Aston Martin Vantage GT4: 1350kg, 420hp
Ginetta G50 GT4: 945kg, 340hp
Lotus Evora GT4: 1200kg, 360hp
Ford Mustang FR500GT4; 1360kg , 420hp
The Toyota GT86 GT4 has also been homologated but I haven't seen a weight for this yet.
Are Porsche going to try and increase their customer motorsports revenue stream off the back of this car or are they just using the name of the series that sits below GT3 in the FIA system?
Porsche already tried to push the Cayman in this and had them homologated for the GT4 series (its converted via a purchased add on kit) however no one was using it and it was replaced by first a street GT3 and then by a downgrade package for early Cups. In spite of this Porsche have no real exposure so far in this series.
If the plan is to try to increase cars running in this series then a look at the cars that are homologated makes for interesting reading (in terms of what this cayman GT4 if it appears will be like) given that the series runs balance of power.
Approx weight and power:
BMW M3 GT4: 1380kg, 420hp
Aston Martin Vantage GT4: 1350kg, 420hp
Ginetta G50 GT4: 945kg, 340hp
Lotus Evora GT4: 1200kg, 360hp
Ford Mustang FR500GT4; 1360kg , 420hp
The Toyota GT86 GT4 has also been homologated but I haven't seen a weight for this yet.
mrdemon said:
I doubt you have a deposit down on one the cars not confirmed :-)
once spec and price is confirmed Porsche will start wanting 10k deposits.
ah you calling me a liar ? my local OPC had 2 'letters of intent' already, and 1 deposit, so i was the 2nd customer leaving a deposit which will guarantee me a car. all this is refundable if i don't like the spec of the car when announced, or indeed if it's never actually built. next i suppose you'll want me to send you the 'kin paperwork ? once spec and price is confirmed Porsche will start wanting 10k deposits.
fioran0 said:
Is this going to be released as a homologation car for the FIA GT4 series? (amateur drivers, prepped track day level cars)
Are Porsche going to try and increase their customer motorsports revenue stream off the back of this car or are they just using the name of the series that sits below GT3 in the FIA system?
Porsche already tried to push the Cayman in this and had them homologated for the GT4 series (its converted via a purchased add on kit) however no one was using it and it was replaced by first a street GT3 and then by a downgrade package for early Cups. In spite of this Porsche have no real exposure so far in this series.
If the plan is to try to increase cars running in this series then a look at the cars that are homologated makes for interesting reading (in terms of what this cayman GT4 if it appears will be like) given that the series runs balance of power.
Approx weight and power:
BMW M3 GT4: 1380kg, 420hp
Aston Martin Vantage GT4: 1350kg, 420hp
Ginetta G50 GT4: 945kg, 340hp
Lotus Evora GT4: 1200kg, 360hp
Ford Mustang FR500GT4; 1360kg , 420hp
The Toyota GT86 GT4 has also been homologated but I haven't seen a weight for this yet.
Very interesting reading, thanks for posting.Are Porsche going to try and increase their customer motorsports revenue stream off the back of this car or are they just using the name of the series that sits below GT3 in the FIA system?
Porsche already tried to push the Cayman in this and had them homologated for the GT4 series (its converted via a purchased add on kit) however no one was using it and it was replaced by first a street GT3 and then by a downgrade package for early Cups. In spite of this Porsche have no real exposure so far in this series.
If the plan is to try to increase cars running in this series then a look at the cars that are homologated makes for interesting reading (in terms of what this cayman GT4 if it appears will be like) given that the series runs balance of power.
Approx weight and power:
BMW M3 GT4: 1380kg, 420hp
Aston Martin Vantage GT4: 1350kg, 420hp
Ginetta G50 GT4: 945kg, 340hp
Lotus Evora GT4: 1200kg, 360hp
Ford Mustang FR500GT4; 1360kg , 420hp
The Toyota GT86 GT4 has also been homologated but I haven't seen a weight for this yet.
If Porsche do go down this route then the figure of 400bhp would be about right.
Lots of different engines in that GT4 line up too from NA V8 to Turbo 4
seawise said:
mrdemon said:
I doubt you have a deposit down on one the cars not confirmed :-)
once spec and price is confirmed Porsche will start wanting 10k deposits.
ah you calling me a liar ? my local OPC had 2 'letters of intent' already, and 1 deposit, so i was the 2nd customer leaving a deposit which will guarantee me a car. all this is refundable if i don't like the spec of the car when announced, or indeed if it's never actually built. next i suppose you'll want me to send you the 'kin paperwork ? once spec and price is confirmed Porsche will start wanting 10k deposits.
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