Considering Cayman (2008ish) few questions...
Discussion
Hey guys
Im looking into my next car for purchase April time.
Im looking for a sub £20k 2 seater sports car max 300bhp.
List so far is Cayman, Elise/Exige, TT 2.0 TFSI, 370z
So im interested in the cayman but concerned with ownership, I could only afford a 2007/8 model like the one in the link below as an example
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Im not sure I need the S variety coming from a 1.0l 60bhp corsa! so at the moment im looking at a non S manual model with the lowest miles and newest age.
In relation to cost of ownership can it be afforded easily? originally being a £40k odd car i assume if anything goes bang its going to cost a lot? I dont really want to purchase it and then end up with a big bill!
Appreciate any opinions and guidance to help me out!
Im looking into my next car for purchase April time.
Im looking for a sub £20k 2 seater sports car max 300bhp.
List so far is Cayman, Elise/Exige, TT 2.0 TFSI, 370z
So im interested in the cayman but concerned with ownership, I could only afford a 2007/8 model like the one in the link below as an example
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Im not sure I need the S variety coming from a 1.0l 60bhp corsa! so at the moment im looking at a non S manual model with the lowest miles and newest age.
In relation to cost of ownership can it be afforded easily? originally being a £40k odd car i assume if anything goes bang its going to cost a lot? I dont really want to purchase it and then end up with a big bill!
Appreciate any opinions and guidance to help me out!
Shaoxter said:
There's loads of Cayman S's for sale around £16k, and you'll have plenty left over for a warranty/repair fund.
though the S are more expensive to get one for £16k your going to have to go old or high mileage = much more chance of issues ?Ive only owned brand new cars so its a new experience for me i dont want to be a bad one!
I wouldn't call 43k high mileage!
As is the case with used cars, buy on condition and service history and get an inspection and proper test drive. Sure there's potential for borkage but that's what a warranty is for. A Cayman S for £16 is a bargain and will be way better than a newer 2.0 TT or 370Z.
As is the case with used cars, buy on condition and service history and get an inspection and proper test drive. Sure there's potential for borkage but that's what a warranty is for. A Cayman S for £16 is a bargain and will be way better than a newer 2.0 TT or 370Z.
Shaoxter said:
I wouldn't call 43k high mileage!
As is the case with used cars, buy on condition and service history and get an inspection and proper test drive. Sure there's potential for borkage but that's what a warranty is for. A Cayman S for £16 is a bargain and will be way better than a newer 2.0 TT or 370Z.
its more about the thought that i put around 10-15k a year on it and then its not a 40k car its 70-80k after 3 years ownership! As is the case with used cars, buy on condition and service history and get an inspection and proper test drive. Sure there's potential for borkage but that's what a warranty is for. A Cayman S for £16 is a bargain and will be way better than a newer 2.0 TT or 370Z.
I dont doubt its a bargin and better than the others but its also a fair bit older!
As i say ive only known new cars and not driven one beyond 20k miles so 40k+ is high to me!
Edited by infernouk on Tuesday 18th February 23:10
Edited by infernouk on Tuesday 18th February 23:11
infernouk said:
its more about the thought that i put around 10-15k a year on it and then its not a 40k car its 70-80k after 3 years ownership!
Yeah but a 40k car going to 80k will lose less in depreciation than a 10k going to 50k.In terms of age, what are you concerned about? The original Cayman S hasn't changed much in terms of exterior appearance until the new one last year and the interior hasn't aged badly at all. Go in with your eyes open, a used example might have a few scratches on the bumper or scuff marks on the leather but you're getting a vastly superior car than if you'd spent the same amount on a newer car.
Shaoxter said:
Yeah but a 40k car going to 80k will lose less in depreciation than a 10k going to 50k.
In terms of age, what are you concerned about? The original Cayman S hasn't changed much in terms of exterior appearance until the new one last year and the interior hasn't aged badly at all. Go in with your eyes open, a used example might have a few scratches on the bumper or scuff marks on the leather but you're getting a vastly superior car than if you'd spent the same amount on a newer car.
thats a fair point.In terms of age, what are you concerned about? The original Cayman S hasn't changed much in terms of exterior appearance until the new one last year and the interior hasn't aged badly at all. Go in with your eyes open, a used example might have a few scratches on the bumper or scuff marks on the leather but you're getting a vastly superior car than if you'd spent the same amount on a newer car.
Im primarily just concerned about something going from that would cost upward of £500 since im not so setup to take hits like that right after buying!
I dont know what goes wrong with them but since its porsche i was concerned parts and repairs etc all cost a lot more than my alternatives!
Forget the 3.4 S version if costs are the worry. The late 2.7 cayman is as reliable as these gen 1 engines get. You should get a nice low mileage one i.e less than 20000 miles for about 19k. It should then be cheap to run as far as Porsches go and no real engine worries. The 3.4 gen 1 do tend to have the odd expensive engine issue.
If you're worried about spending £500 if something goes wrong then I think you really do need to be buying a car from an OPC - your budget might (and I mean might) just stretch to a very early model - or a decent indie with a good warranty.
Inevitably though your budget means you'll be buying an older car, which obviously has a greater potential for bigger bills - be it for tyres, brake discs, or the other costs that go with running a seven / eight year old car that originally cost c£50k new. Some of this will be covered by a decent warranty, but not all. I think this is something you need to decide if you're comfortable with. Running costs other than fuel / tax could end up being very low if you buy a good one, but they could also be very high...
If you decide a Cayman is for you then I'd say steer clear of the 'S', purely because the likelihood of bore scoring / IMS failure / big bills is so much greater. The non-S version will also be cheaper to run leaving more cash should any bills come up.
For info the six speed box was also an option on the non-S version and was part of one of the packs (could be Sports Package Plus).
Good luck with the search though. They're great cars and I think if you go in to ownership with your eyes open then nothing can touch them for the money.
Inevitably though your budget means you'll be buying an older car, which obviously has a greater potential for bigger bills - be it for tyres, brake discs, or the other costs that go with running a seven / eight year old car that originally cost c£50k new. Some of this will be covered by a decent warranty, but not all. I think this is something you need to decide if you're comfortable with. Running costs other than fuel / tax could end up being very low if you buy a good one, but they could also be very high...
If you decide a Cayman is for you then I'd say steer clear of the 'S', purely because the likelihood of bore scoring / IMS failure / big bills is so much greater. The non-S version will also be cheaper to run leaving more cash should any bills come up.
For info the six speed box was also an option on the non-S version and was part of one of the packs (could be Sports Package Plus).
Good luck with the search though. They're great cars and I think if you go in to ownership with your eyes open then nothing can touch them for the money.
thanks guys ill probably drive the 2.7 first then decide if the S is worth more money.
Is the S just the engine and brakes? do you gain any nicer interior etc?
Also out of interest are there any mods for the rear lights? I love the front and side of the car but the back looks terrible with those lights so i wondered if there were perhaps some LED aftermarket options or something?
Is the S just the engine and brakes? do you gain any nicer interior etc?
Also out of interest are there any mods for the rear lights? I love the front and side of the car but the back looks terrible with those lights so i wondered if there were perhaps some LED aftermarket options or something?
The Cayman S will also give you 18" wheels as standard, six speed gearbox, a different exhaust design, slightly different front bumper, coloured brake callipers and white dial faces instead of black. You might also get some extra bits of leather inside (centre armrest) and an alarm. The last two definitely apply to the Gen 2 cars but not so sure about earlier models. There may well be other differences I've missed.
Gen 2 cars come with LED rear lights as standard and I'm sure there will be after-market equivalents you can add to earlier cars. If you do though, say goodbye to any warranty from an OPC.
Gen 2 cars come with LED rear lights as standard and I'm sure there will be after-market equivalents you can add to earlier cars. If you do though, say goodbye to any warranty from an OPC.
keiththo said:
Road tax is considerably cheaper for a 2.7 compared with a 3.4 Cayman.
yea in reguards to performance i think the 2.7 is enough and the mpg as a daily driver will be more useful in the long run.Its just the things like wheels and various aesthetic differences I would have liked!
infernouk said:
how do the OPC warranties work? i have to purchase from an OPC to have one?
whats the likelyhood of issues with a S with an OPC warranty? when i say i dont want issues i just mean within say 6 months of purchase whilst im rebuilding my funds
Two years warranty if you buy from an OPC. If you buy elsewhere you can add the warranty but the car will need to pass the multi point inspection. Expect to pay c£2k for two years warranty including the inspection - plus any work needed to get the car through the inspection. whats the likelyhood of issues with a S with an OPC warranty? when i say i dont want issues i just mean within say 6 months of purchase whilst im rebuilding my funds
As for how likely is a problem with an S - how long is a piece of string. At the end of the day though the S is more likely to lead to major bills than than the smaller engine car. However, the failure rate is stil low, despite the horror stories on the Internet. If you've got the OPC warranty though, no need to worry.
Dolf Stoppard said:
Two years warranty if you buy from an OPC. If you buy elsewhere you can add the warranty but the car will need to pass the multi point inspection. Expect to pay c£2k for two years warranty including the inspection - plus any work needed to get the car through the inspection.
As for how likely is a problem with an S - how long is a piece of string. At the end of the day though the S is more likely to lead to major bills than than the smaller engine car. However, the failure rate is stil low, despite the horror stories on the Internet. If you've got the OPC warranty though, no need to worry.
so basically a non S from an OPC is my safest bet?As for how likely is a problem with an S - how long is a piece of string. At the end of the day though the S is more likely to lead to major bills than than the smaller engine car. However, the failure rate is stil low, despite the horror stories on the Internet. If you've got the OPC warranty though, no need to worry.
infernouk said:
so basically a non S from an OPC is my safest bet?
Without a doubt, but I've had two gen.1 987 S's (a 2006 Boxster S and currently have a 2008 Cayman S), owned for a total of about 4 years, and had no significant problems with either.However, the very safest bet would be a Gen.2 987 non-S - there are very very few incidents, AFAIK, of those breaking. Buying from an OPC includes a warranty, so is safe, but RSJ and 911V have good reputations, and you could always add an OPC warranty afterwards, and I'd be surprised if their cars failed the 111 point check. Indeed, you could probably arrange for the check before purchase from a good indy. Just watch out for cars failing for silly things like non-N-rated tyres or an aftermarket stereo. Wouldn't have thought there's too many like that about, and, again, even fewer at good Indys. Good luck! (I still love my Cayman S, and keep meaning to change it, but can't find anything I'd rather have except maybe an R or a Spyder).
Actus Reus said:
Without a doubt, but I've had two gen.1 987 S's (a 2006 Boxster S and currently have a 2008 Cayman S), owned for a total of about 4 years, and had no significant problems with either.
However, the very safest bet would be a Gen.2 987 non-S - there are very very few incidents, AFAIK, of those breaking. Buying from an OPC includes a warranty, so is safe, but RSJ and 911V have good reputations, and you could always add an OPC warranty afterwards, and I'd be surprised if their cars failed the 111 point check. Indeed, you could probably arrange for the check before purchase from a good indy. Just watch out for cars failing for silly things like non-N-rated tyres or an aftermarket stereo. Wouldn't have thought there's too many like that about, and, again, even fewer at good Indys. Good luck! (I still love my Cayman S, and keep meaning to change it, but can't find anything I'd rather have except maybe an R or a Spyder).
Cheers i cant really afford a gen 2 as they are the other side of £23k+ However, the very safest bet would be a Gen.2 987 non-S - there are very very few incidents, AFAIK, of those breaking. Buying from an OPC includes a warranty, so is safe, but RSJ and 911V have good reputations, and you could always add an OPC warranty afterwards, and I'd be surprised if their cars failed the 111 point check. Indeed, you could probably arrange for the check before purchase from a good indy. Just watch out for cars failing for silly things like non-N-rated tyres or an aftermarket stereo. Wouldn't have thought there's too many like that about, and, again, even fewer at good Indys. Good luck! (I still love my Cayman S, and keep meaning to change it, but can't find anything I'd rather have except maybe an R or a Spyder).
is there an easy way to see OPC stock? i cant find anywhere online where i can find what OPC cars are for sale!
This would be my number 1 choice its gen 2 but not too much, but not OPC!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Edited by infernouk on Thursday 20th February 11:17
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