TTS (at a good price) vs cayman (s)
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So i'm in quite a fortunate position to have been offered a 09 tts with 40k with adaptive suspension for 15.5 from my boss,. However, i'm very keen on the cayman s (987) which would probably cost nearer 18k for such a milage 06 example.
I know the cayman will eat the tts in terms of handling, interaction & fun and will probably cost a fair bit more to run also, along with the dreaded but rarer ims issue.. But the TTS is supposed to be one of the best tt's produced and handles well ish for a haldex car and goes well.. I was thinking considering most of the tts' of this era are going for 16/5-17 i could run the tts for sometime, if it bores me change and get more for it than i paid and get the cayman.. Some other viewpoints would be most gratefully received.
I know the cayman will eat the tts in terms of handling, interaction & fun and will probably cost a fair bit more to run also, along with the dreaded but rarer ims issue.. But the TTS is supposed to be one of the best tt's produced and handles well ish for a haldex car and goes well.. I was thinking considering most of the tts' of this era are going for 16/5-17 i could run the tts for sometime, if it bores me change and get more for it than i paid and get the cayman.. Some other viewpoints would be most gratefully received.
mrdemon will be along at some point having owned both but in the meanwhile, for my money it would have to be the Cayman S.
As an aside, the ims was uprated for this model and is far less of a concern than on earlier models. A major source of worry, however, is bore scoring. And whilst it is widely over exaggerated on the internet, it would be a foolish man who bought one without first having the bores examined.
As an aside, the ims was uprated for this model and is far less of a concern than on earlier models. A major source of worry, however, is bore scoring. And whilst it is widely over exaggerated on the internet, it would be a foolish man who bought one without first having the bores examined.
PorkRind said:
How does one inspect bores, engine apart job? Any external tell tell signs?
No nothing anywhere as near as drastic.You can get a boroscope down the plug holes and examine the bores that way. Any good independant should be able to do this.
Indications of this issue include a light tapping sound, excessive oil burning and sooty righthand exhaust. Unfortunately, once these signs are evident its too late and the damage is done.
Golf plus some bodywork and slight upgrades or a slightly reduced power 911 without back seats...
Test drives will end the debate, to be honest with you. The quality of the cabin would probably decide it for me before I even started the engine. If it didnt, the engine note would settle it. Handling does not even get a look in (although the Cayman is more composed and alive than the TT).
At an emotional level, I would rather eat my nuts than drive an Audi at the moment. I am not entirely sure why. Probably because they seem to be the car for the person who knows nothing about cars and just wants a badge. The TTs a good car. Better than its reputation, but not close to a Cayman in my view.
Difference in actual running costs is likely to be in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, I expect. MPG claims are almost always complete b
ks. For what it is worth, I seem to get about 28mpg in my 987 S (19 or so in town and 32-34 out of town depending on how heavy-footed I am.
Test drives will end the debate, to be honest with you. The quality of the cabin would probably decide it for me before I even started the engine. If it didnt, the engine note would settle it. Handling does not even get a look in (although the Cayman is more composed and alive than the TT).
At an emotional level, I would rather eat my nuts than drive an Audi at the moment. I am not entirely sure why. Probably because they seem to be the car for the person who knows nothing about cars and just wants a badge. The TTs a good car. Better than its reputation, but not close to a Cayman in my view.
Difference in actual running costs is likely to be in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, I expect. MPG claims are almost always complete b
ks. For what it is worth, I seem to get about 28mpg in my 987 S (19 or so in town and 32-34 out of town depending on how heavy-footed I am.I've not driven the TTS but have driven the 2.0T, 3.2Q and the mechanically similar S3.
I'm sure the TTS is very very fast point to point but as others have said not very involving. If you're worried about running costs / risks and are more interested in feel, feedback and pure driving pleasure then I'd also take a look at a 2.7 Cayman too.
I'm sure the TTS is very very fast point to point but as others have said not very involving. If you're worried about running costs / risks and are more interested in feel, feedback and pure driving pleasure then I'd also take a look at a 2.7 Cayman too.
Both good cars in my view. Both easy to buy at these prices. Running costs have the potential to be very different.. In our family we have four audi's...quattro ,turbo and diesels...all between three and eight years old .They been very reliable with reasonable running costs ( £ 400- £700 p.a.) ..I've run three separate 911's (same age group) for the past 13 years and in my experience the running costs have been very different . Any Porsche ownership of this age usually comes at a cost ,it's very easy to have two or three bills of £1500 p.a. . I have been lucky nothing serious has happened to my cars but common replacements such as brakes ,exhausts ,radiators etc soon mount up. Main dealership servicing/ repairs are not cheap. Driving a porsche "vigorously" will use a set of £700 rear tyres in less than 8000 miles. Only trying to be informative here and in no way trying to put you off Cayman...Porsche cars ,especially the Cayman ( my next porsche) drive like nothing else IMHO. Nice position to be in . Lucky you.
PorkRind said:
How does one inspect bores, engine apart job? Any external tell tell signs?
Hi A good inde will do a Boroscope through its spark plug holes, if you check this list of good independents on porsche general forum there will be one there who can help, I have just bought a Cayman and wouldnt recommend buying one without a inspection or cast iron Warranty.
Badger51
Everyone's responses seem to ignore the economics - if the TTS can be bought at below market value then I'd say have the best of both worlds - buy it, then later change for a Cayman.
I can't imagine just "flipping" the Audi for a profit straight away would go down well so you'll have to keep it a few months I guess, by which time you'll know it well and will fully appreciate the difference a Cayman represents when you test drive and/or buy one.
I can't imagine just "flipping" the Audi for a profit straight away would go down well so you'll have to keep it a few months I guess, by which time you'll know it well and will fully appreciate the difference a Cayman represents when you test drive and/or buy one.
thegoose said:
Everyone's responses seem to ignore the economics - if the TTS can be bought at below market value then I'd say have the best of both worlds - buy it, then later change for a Cayman.
I can't imagine just "flipping" the Audi for a profit straight away would go down well so you'll have to keep it a few months I guess, by which time you'll know it well and will fully appreciate the difference a Cayman represents when you test drive and/or buy one.
Surprised you haven't mentioned that lovely 'Roc R you (I presume you?) have for sale. That's the best of both worlds here I reckon - better car to drive than the TTS, equally as quick, and lots of practical too, and cheaper to run than both the Porsche and the Audi.I can't imagine just "flipping" the Audi for a profit straight away would go down well so you'll have to keep it a few months I guess, by which time you'll know it well and will fully appreciate the difference a Cayman represents when you test drive and/or buy one.
The only thing putting me of the CS is the potential for engine sized bills, i've had engines go pop before and having for fork out 4+k isnt exactly the pinnacle of any motoring experience, its whats put me off buying a half decent car in the first place. I guess the audi will have the engine reliability over the porker, weird how this has been occuring since the later 996 /boxsters and still not been sorted..
I believe the 2.0T engines suffer from chain & tensioners issues too (sometimes with catastrophic consequences).
I have to say the 2.7 manual Cayman is awesome and comparatively bulletproof (Hartech say they have never had to rebuild one for bore scoring or I understand IMS issues either). Particularly on 17" wheels its so chuckable and you really can use all of the performance on the road.
I have to say the 2.7 manual Cayman is awesome and comparatively bulletproof (Hartech say they have never had to rebuild one for bore scoring or I understand IMS issues either). Particularly on 17" wheels its so chuckable and you really can use all of the performance on the road.
jcelee said:
I believe the 2.0T engines suffer from chain & tensioners issues too (sometimes with catastrophic consequences).
I have to say the 2.7 manual Cayman is awesome and comparatively bulletproof (Hartech say they have never had to rebuild one for bore scoring or I understand IMS issues either). Particularly on 17" wheels its so chuckable and you really can use all of the performance on the road.
Ive read otherwise on planet911 I have to say the 2.7 manual Cayman is awesome and comparatively bulletproof (Hartech say they have never had to rebuild one for bore scoring or I understand IMS issues either). Particularly on 17" wheels its so chuckable and you really can use all of the performance on the road.
Uber warranty thats checked to cover this kinda thing i reckon !!
jcelee said:
I believe the 2.0T engines suffer from chain & tensioners issues too (sometimes with catastrophic consequences).
That's odd, I'm sure I was told this had had a cambelt replacement - maybe they meant auxillary belt.Anyway, if the Scirocco doesn't sell this weekend it's going back (it's an SOR end-of-lease car from a local company - we cherry pick the good end of lease cars they have, usually ordinary Golfs though, they have 80+ of those, but also other driver-chosen nice one-offs like this one).
It drives nicely, VERY little turbo lag and very fast indeed but I think the DSG gearbox needs another mode in between normal and sport, for which read "geriatric" and "banzai race nutter" - it needs a middle ground. It has 3 suspension settings, only 2 for the gearbox
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