718 GT4 UK Allocations
Discussion
Tony718 said:
Thank you Evo, I appreciate your advice and comments. Going to take the GT4 as it’s the car I have always wanted and it wasn’t easy getting the allocation. GTS would be more practical but like you say in these times sometimes we have to make a dream come true. Car is November build for December delivery. Anyone used the OPC to have MPS4s put on for pick up as imagine cups will be interesting in December? Would be great to see some pics of GT4s, decided to save some cash and go for Gentian over Python. Have a good weekend all.
OPC won’t fit PS4S for your new car collection as they don’t make the appropriate size for GT4 with an N rating. Porsche will not supply you with non N rated tyres on a new car. finmac said:
Anyway, has anyone any useful comments regarding all weather Tyres on a GT4 please, Pirelli in particular?
Quoting myself ... (though no Pirelli info.)Evo9lution said:
The GT4 will be fine in the wet with a set of MPS4Ss on - you could get a second set of rims (which could be sold on later; if you buy s/h, you may not lose much, if anything) or you could just replace and sell the Cup 2s as new (assuming that they are removed from the rims without sidewall damage). Minimal loss ...
You also don't need to have N-rated MPS4Ss ... However, you can get 285/20s for the rear that are N-rated. These are fitted to GT-Rs and if a 650+ torque GT-R is fine with them on I am sure that a GT4 will be (can attest for the GT-R but not tried them on the GT4 yet tbh). Also, I think that the official Porsche-supplied winter tyre size is 285/20? ...
OK, just checked the Michelin website you can get neither 295 nor 285 width MPS4Ss that are N-rated but you can can get them for the front (or better, match-up and get a set that are not N-rated ...).You also don't need to have N-rated MPS4Ss ... However, you can get 285/20s for the rear that are N-rated. These are fitted to GT-Rs and if a 650+ torque GT-R is fine with them on I am sure that a GT4 will be (can attest for the GT-R but not tried them on the GT4 yet tbh). Also, I think that the official Porsche-supplied winter tyre size is 285/20? ...
Unless it will affect the warranty (???), there will be no issue fitting non N-rated tyres. They'll definitely be better in the wet than Cup 2s (though in the snow or very cold temperatures, winters really will be the best best)
Evo9lution said:
finmac said:
Anyway, has anyone any useful comments regarding all weather Tyres on a GT4 please, Pirelli in particular?
Quoting myself ... (though no Pirelli info.)Evo9lution said:
The GT4 will be fine in the wet with a set of MPS4Ss on - you could get a second set of rims (which could be sold on later; if you buy s/h, you may not lose much, if anything) or you could just replace and sell the Cup 2s as new (assuming that they are removed from the rims without sidewall damage). Minimal loss ...
You also don't need to have N-rated MPS4Ss ... However, you can get 285/20s for the rear that are N-rated. These are fitted to GT-Rs and if a 650+ torque GT-R is fine with them on I am sure that a GT4 will be (can attest for the GT-R but not tried them on the GT4 yet tbh). Also, I think that the official Porsche-supplied winter tyre size is 285/20? ...
OK, just checked the Michelin website you can get neither 295 nor 285 width MPS4Ss that are N-rated but you can can get them for the front (or better, match-up and get a set that are not N-rated ...).You also don't need to have N-rated MPS4Ss ... However, you can get 285/20s for the rear that are N-rated. These are fitted to GT-Rs and if a 650+ torque GT-R is fine with them on I am sure that a GT4 will be (can attest for the GT-R but not tried them on the GT4 yet tbh). Also, I think that the official Porsche-supplied winter tyre size is 285/20? ...
Unless it will affect the warranty (???), there will be no issue fitting non N-rated tyres. They'll definitely be better in the wet than Cup 2s (though in the snow or very cold temperatures, winters really will be the best best)
Evo9lution said:
OK, just checked the Michelin website you can get neither 295 nor 285 width MPS4Ss that are N-rated but you can can get them for the front (or better, match-up and get a set that are not N-rated ...).
Unless it will affect the warranty (???), there will be no issue fitting non N-rated tyres. They'll definitely be better in the wet than Cup 2s (though in the snow or very cold temperatures, winters really will be the best best)
It’s the warranty that’s the issue really. N rated tyres have to be fitted under the terms of the warranty (and to extend it). It’s been argued on here before and the general consensus is usually that if you fitted non-N tyres and had a warranty claim, Porsche would likely only deny it if it’s attributable to the tyres - but ultimately it’s completely at their discretion and for most, probably not worth the risk.Unless it will affect the warranty (???), there will be no issue fitting non N-rated tyres. They'll definitely be better in the wet than Cup 2s (though in the snow or very cold temperatures, winters really will be the best best)
MannyLon said:
I say that because I’m a massive BMW fan. But sadly the turbo models are not a patch on the old NA cars IMO.
I think all manufacturers have fallen into the trap of competing on 0-60 figures, top speed and headline power figures. All of which are rarely useable safely or legally on the public roads. It’s almost like they are priming us for electric cars, which are great (I’m am Tesla M3P owner). Contrary to what most motoring journalists seem to be spouting out, not every car needs to be a track weapon either, hardly any do.What was wrong with small capacity multiple cylinder engines, 2.0 Porsche flat six or a 3.0 Ferrari V12 (like on the 250 GT) might not be fastest things on the road, but lots of driver involvement and enjoyment. Add manual gearbox, low weight, skinny tyres and high revs and you have your perfect weekend road car.
Goldjono said:
I think all manufacturers have fallen into the trap of competing on 0-60 figures, top speed and headline power figures. All of which are rarely useable safely or legally on the public roads. It’s almost like they are priming us for electric cars, which are great (I’m am Tesla M3P owner). Contrary to what most motoring journalists seem to be spouting out, not every car needs to be a track weapon either, hardly any do.
What was wrong with small capacity multiple cylinder engines, 2.0 Porsche flat six or a 3.0 Ferrari V12 (like on the 250 GT) might not be fastest things on the road, but lots of driver involvement and enjoyment. Add manual gearbox, low weight, skinny tyres and high revs and you have your perfect weekend road car.
Yes, a real shame that the NA engines seem to be disappearing now. Will probably lead to older cars going up in value.What was wrong with small capacity multiple cylinder engines, 2.0 Porsche flat six or a 3.0 Ferrari V12 (like on the 250 GT) might not be fastest things on the road, but lots of driver involvement and enjoyment. Add manual gearbox, low weight, skinny tyres and high revs and you have your perfect weekend road car.
MannyLon said:
Yes, a real shame that the NA engines seem to be disappearing now. Will probably lead to older cars going up in value.
Unfortunately thats the emission trap for you . Huge fines now which spell the end of the ice or hybrid.Its will be so expensive to run a petrol/diesel car in 10 years time you just wont bother.
During lockdown the air quality improved immensely and eveyone is jumping on this, strike whilst the irons hot.
Already the government are discussing extra tax on transport and as the coffers are a bit empty its an easy target.
The futures bright apparently
tedblog said:
Unfortunately thats the emission trap for you . Huge fines now which spell the end of the ice or hybrid.
Its will be so expensive to run a petrol/diesel car in 10 years time you just wont bother.
During lockdown the air quality improved immensely and eveyone is jumping on this, strike whilst the irons hot.
Already the government are discussing extra tax on transport and as the coffers are a bit empty its an easy target.
The futures bright apparently
I really wonder how much pollution is caused by cars compared to other transport and manufacturing. I did try to find stats on this but nothing in detail. Think that drivers may be the easy target for the government/lobby. Also wonder how much pollution is generated building new tech cars etc.Its will be so expensive to run a petrol/diesel car in 10 years time you just wont bother.
During lockdown the air quality improved immensely and eveyone is jumping on this, strike whilst the irons hot.
Already the government are discussing extra tax on transport and as the coffers are a bit empty its an easy target.
The futures bright apparently
MannyLon said:
Goldjono said:
And? All new Porsche’s at the moment bar the 718 GTS 4.0, 718 GT4 And 718 Spyder are Turbo. Oh and the Taycan, but they call them turbos.
I say that because I’m a massive BMW fan. But sadly the turbo models are not a patch on the old NA cars IMO. 
finmac said:
Not so sure I’d agree with that. Have had 6 x M power beemers now and only the last was a Turbo (M4). For my needs it was the best of the lot by a fair way, Only sold cause of lockdown oh and new GT4
For me the best of the bunch were, CSL, ZM Coupe and E60 M5. For years BMW poo pooed turbo cars, so it does not sit well that they now run //Ms on turbo. Nothing like a screaming flat 6 or v10. IMO of course.MannyLon said:
I really wonder how much pollution is caused by cars compared to other transport and manufacturing. I did try to find stats on this but nothing in detail. Think that drivers may be the easy target for the government/lobby. Also wonder how much pollution is generated building new tech cars etc.
Road transport produces 30% of all the worlds co2, 60% of that is passenger cars.Indeed the carbon footprint is pretty large to produce an electric vehicle.
tedblog said:
Road transport produces 30% of all the worlds co2, 60% of that is passenger cars.
Indeed the carbon footprint is pretty large to produce an electric vehicle.
So by attacking car drivers, the government’s are addressing only ~15%. I suppose the rest of the pollution is caused by industry and air travel?Indeed the carbon footprint is pretty large to produce an electric vehicle.
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