GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
finmac said:
GTRene said:
did I see it correct? is there no mid in between window (glas/plastic) between driver and engine?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
Interesting idea. I wonder if the intake noise comes from the actual external intakes or the actual carbon air box? If the later then in theory you could fit a clear Perspex cover to sound deaden it a bit? ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
GTRene said:
a bit loud is ok, but listening to so many drivers that said its a bit to much if you don't wear a helmet or earplugs... that says enough, especialy for longer drives or a lot use of the car not on a track.
It's an interesting point, as intake noise is pretty dependent on throttle opening. My 981 GT4 is pretty noisy inside and outside at full throttle on the track, especially with the exhaust set to "noisy". But I think the transmission as probably as noisy as anything else when cruising on the motorway. I can definitely live with that car as a "better weather" daily drive, but I am equally intrigued as to whether I'd fancy doing the same in a GT4 RS.Hopefully in a position to get another Porsche next year, and I am a little torn between seeing if I can still order a new 911 GTS, or looking for a low mileage GT4 RS. The OPC Leicester GT4 RS ticks all the boxes for me, but the 911 is available with a manual gearbox, and is without doubt a nicer daily drive. Also, I can spec. a rear wiper, which floats my boat, especially because so many others don't like it!
Liam
Some interesting, possibly controversial, comments from a guy on Rennlist to throw into the mix :
I have driven 911s all my life, raced Cup car in Europe, kept a GT4 CS at my track and also raced up Pikes Peak in it. I much prefer the mid engine layout, the old knock was that the Cayman is lacking in power, the GT3 engine fixed that.
What makes it a pure driver's car is that it's nimble, and unstable, takes skills to drive it properly fast, and thus very rewarding for those with skills. Feeling is very different than in modern 911s where Porsche engineered the car to be as stable as possible and very safe. Getting a drift going in a modern 911 is very easy, honestly doesn't need lightning quick reflexes as the car is so benign, on the mid engine cars however quicker inputs are required as the car really wants to rotate, not easy to corner fast. The 918 doesn't exhibit as much the same trait as it's got propulsion on the front axle to pull the car straight so it's 'lazier' it I can use that description.
While it's a very capable track car, Porsche didn't design the 4RS to be a track monster, it's geared more towards blasting up and down mountain roads, and in that scenario, it excelled. Lovely lovely machine.
AND
Excitement. I have to put the 4RS right up there with the 918. The 4RS can't touch the 918 in the thrust department for sure, but the 4RS isn't about quickness in a straight line, nor is it about how many Gs one can pull around a corner. The 4RS is about being an old school analog car that rewards the driver with excitement, it's the rawest street car Porsche made in the modern era, nothing else is close, especially when Porsche is putting modern manuals in their 'manual' cars, those are fake manuals when compared to old ones like 993, 964, 911, the ECU works it's magic behind the scene to make them easy to use, zero challenge). The intake sound is second to none. The small size means you feel like you are diving a Miata around traffic, around corners, around hairpins, very unlike the feeling of piloting an African elephant when I am in a 992 GT3. Ride quality is also very good, the standard settings is slightly softer than the standard in the 918, while the sport setting is also slightly softer than the sport setting in the 918, basically means it is great on the street. Both settings are also softer than those in the 992 GT3. (I had sofas also on my GT3 so it's a proper apples to apples comparison).
Counting everything Porsche made since the 997.2 GT3RS 4.0, the GT4RS is the BEST car Porsche made, not quite up there with CGT or the 918 but well nothing is. It is definitely a better driver's car than the 911R and the current S/T, or the newest GT3RS.
I have driven 911s all my life, raced Cup car in Europe, kept a GT4 CS at my track and also raced up Pikes Peak in it. I much prefer the mid engine layout, the old knock was that the Cayman is lacking in power, the GT3 engine fixed that.
What makes it a pure driver's car is that it's nimble, and unstable, takes skills to drive it properly fast, and thus very rewarding for those with skills. Feeling is very different than in modern 911s where Porsche engineered the car to be as stable as possible and very safe. Getting a drift going in a modern 911 is very easy, honestly doesn't need lightning quick reflexes as the car is so benign, on the mid engine cars however quicker inputs are required as the car really wants to rotate, not easy to corner fast. The 918 doesn't exhibit as much the same trait as it's got propulsion on the front axle to pull the car straight so it's 'lazier' it I can use that description.
While it's a very capable track car, Porsche didn't design the 4RS to be a track monster, it's geared more towards blasting up and down mountain roads, and in that scenario, it excelled. Lovely lovely machine.
AND
Excitement. I have to put the 4RS right up there with the 918. The 4RS can't touch the 918 in the thrust department for sure, but the 4RS isn't about quickness in a straight line, nor is it about how many Gs one can pull around a corner. The 4RS is about being an old school analog car that rewards the driver with excitement, it's the rawest street car Porsche made in the modern era, nothing else is close, especially when Porsche is putting modern manuals in their 'manual' cars, those are fake manuals when compared to old ones like 993, 964, 911, the ECU works it's magic behind the scene to make them easy to use, zero challenge). The intake sound is second to none. The small size means you feel like you are diving a Miata around traffic, around corners, around hairpins, very unlike the feeling of piloting an African elephant when I am in a 992 GT3. Ride quality is also very good, the standard settings is slightly softer than the standard in the 918, while the sport setting is also slightly softer than the sport setting in the 918, basically means it is great on the street. Both settings are also softer than those in the 992 GT3. (I had sofas also on my GT3 so it's a proper apples to apples comparison).
Counting everything Porsche made since the 997.2 GT3RS 4.0, the GT4RS is the BEST car Porsche made, not quite up there with CGT or the 918 but well nothing is. It is definitely a better driver's car than the 911R and the current S/T, or the newest GT3RS.
Yes have seen that from Whoopsy - He was the first non-Porsche person to report the existence of the 981 GT4 RS mule…. He said it would be the best thing to come out of Weissach since the 918… so it’s a sentiment that has been held for a long time by him.
I don’t think it invalidates or supersedes any other opinion however. In fact he states the case himself.
He has some interesting views on the S/T also.
I don’t think it invalidates or supersedes any other opinion however. In fact he states the case himself.
He has some interesting views on the S/T also.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 21st December 10:35
hunter 66 said:
TDT , just went to configurator for fun last night and wow these cars , ST and 3RS are now expensive , had no idea
Yep. Its eye popping really. But of people kept saying GT cars were underpriced…. What can we really expect. That difference to market price was going to flippers, now Porsche are claiming it directly for themselves.
TDT said:
Yes have seen that from Whoopsy - He was the first non-Porsche person to report the existence of the 981 GT4 RS mule…. He said it would be the best thing to come out of Weissach since the 918… so it’s a sentiment that has been held for a long time by him.
I don’t think it invalidates or supersedes any other opinion however. In fact he states the case himself.
He has some interesting views on the S/T also.
Agree, everyone has their own opinion and that's great, he does seem to talk from some decent experience though so found it quite interesting.I don’t think it invalidates or supersedes any other opinion however. In fact he states the case himself.
He has some interesting views on the S/T also.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 21st December 10:35
ChrisW. said:
It's certainly useful to get a range of views ... I can't imagine that there are many extended test drives to be had given the low mileage on most of them ?
Maybe enquire at a centre…. It may not be an extended test drive overnight/24hrs like they used to do, but not sure they can really expect to sell this kind of used car without at least even a decent normal accompanied drive if you are genuinely considering. It’s not like they are rare or numbered.For interest ... on CC.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
ChrisW. said:
For interest ... on CC.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
Very nice all the bits…https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
ChrisW. said:
For interest ... on CC.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
Reading this got me thinking about Spec on GT4RS. Almost all the UK cars seem to come loaded with £35K odd worth of PCCB, Weisach, mag wheels etc. I’d have thought that if people wanted an RS as primarily a track car then steel brakes, stock wheels and no weisach would be a lot cheaper while losing very little in dynamic terms? Given how low the car is though axle lift a bit of a no brainer…. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
finmac said:
ChrisW. said:
For interest ... on CC.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
Reading this got me thinking about Spec on GT4RS. Almost all the UK cars seem to come loaded with £35K odd worth of PCCB, Weisach, mag wheels etc. I’d have thought that if people wanted an RS as primarily a track car then steel brakes, stock wheels and no weisach would be a lot cheaper while losing very little in dynamic terms? Given how low the car is though axle lift a bit of a no brainer…. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2023-porsche-7...
Ending in 90 minutes ... a £160k car at UK list ? no lift ... but PCCB's ... Eur 170k at the moment, a Swedish car ...
Mostly promoted by salesmen because there's usually a bigger margin on options
finmac said:
Reading this got me thinking about Spec on GT4RS. Almost all the UK cars seem to come loaded with £35K odd worth of PCCB, Weisach, mag wheels etc. I’d have thought that if people wanted an RS as primarily a track car then steel brakes, stock wheels and no weisach would be a lot cheaper while losing very little in dynamic terms? Given how low the car is though axle lift a bit of a no brainer….
Not correct. Most cars, especially ones which have been for sale in first 18 months of production have been without PCCB and Mag wheels as they weren't available for long periods!i actually want a no frills car with PCCB. figure 130k. so whilst i was shown a fully loaded delivery car with the expensive chronograph at 187k, what's the point? And i actually do not want lift as the cooking car was designed originally without it. I do not think it is any lower than a GT4
Sandy59 said:
Some interesting, possibly controversial, comments from a guy on Rennlist to throw into the mix :
I have driven 911s all my life, raced Cup car in Europe, kept a GT4 CS at my track and also raced up Pikes Peak in it. I much prefer the mid engine layout, the old knock was that the Cayman is lacking in power, the GT3 engine fixed that.
What makes it a pure driver's car is that it's nimble, and unstable, takes skills to drive it properly fast, and thus very rewarding for those with skills. Feeling is very different than in modern 911s where Porsche engineered the car to be as stable as possible and very safe. Getting a drift going in a modern 911 is very easy, honestly doesn't need lightning quick reflexes as the car is so benign, on the mid engine cars however quicker inputs are required as the car really wants to rotate, not easy to corner fast. The 918 doesn't exhibit as much the same trait as it's got propulsion on the front axle to pull the car straight so it's 'lazier' it I can use that description.
While it's a very capable track car, Porsche didn't design the 4RS to be a track monster, it's geared more towards blasting up and down mountain roads, and in that scenario, it excelled. Lovely lovely machine.
AND
Excitement. I have to put the 4RS right up there with the 918. The 4RS can't touch the 918 in the thrust department for sure, but the 4RS isn't about quickness in a straight line, nor is it about how many Gs one can pull around a corner. The 4RS is about being an old school analog car that rewards the driver with excitement, it's the rawest street car Porsche made in the modern era, nothing else is close, especially when Porsche is putting modern manuals in their 'manual' cars, those are fake manuals when compared to old ones like 993, 964, 911, the ECU works it's magic behind the scene to make them easy to use, zero challenge). The intake sound is second to none. The small size means you feel like you are diving a Miata around traffic, around corners, around hairpins, very unlike the feeling of piloting an African elephant when I am in a 992 GT3. Ride quality is also very good, the standard settings is slightly softer than the standard in the 918, while the sport setting is also slightly softer than the sport setting in the 918, basically means it is great on the street. Both settings are also softer than those in the 992 GT3. (I had sofas also on my GT3 so it's a proper apples to apples comparison).
Counting everything Porsche made since the 997.2 GT3RS 4.0, the GT4RS is the BEST car Porsche made, not quite up there with CGT or the 918 but well nothing is. It is definitely a better driver's car than the 911R and the current S/T, or the newest GT3RS.
How does a modern automatic heavy car become like a old analog car,and a raw street car,comical, sounds like he is just trying to justify in owning one to himself.I have driven 911s all my life, raced Cup car in Europe, kept a GT4 CS at my track and also raced up Pikes Peak in it. I much prefer the mid engine layout, the old knock was that the Cayman is lacking in power, the GT3 engine fixed that.
What makes it a pure driver's car is that it's nimble, and unstable, takes skills to drive it properly fast, and thus very rewarding for those with skills. Feeling is very different than in modern 911s where Porsche engineered the car to be as stable as possible and very safe. Getting a drift going in a modern 911 is very easy, honestly doesn't need lightning quick reflexes as the car is so benign, on the mid engine cars however quicker inputs are required as the car really wants to rotate, not easy to corner fast. The 918 doesn't exhibit as much the same trait as it's got propulsion on the front axle to pull the car straight so it's 'lazier' it I can use that description.
While it's a very capable track car, Porsche didn't design the 4RS to be a track monster, it's geared more towards blasting up and down mountain roads, and in that scenario, it excelled. Lovely lovely machine.
AND
Excitement. I have to put the 4RS right up there with the 918. The 4RS can't touch the 918 in the thrust department for sure, but the 4RS isn't about quickness in a straight line, nor is it about how many Gs one can pull around a corner. The 4RS is about being an old school analog car that rewards the driver with excitement, it's the rawest street car Porsche made in the modern era, nothing else is close, especially when Porsche is putting modern manuals in their 'manual' cars, those are fake manuals when compared to old ones like 993, 964, 911, the ECU works it's magic behind the scene to make them easy to use, zero challenge). The intake sound is second to none. The small size means you feel like you are diving a Miata around traffic, around corners, around hairpins, very unlike the feeling of piloting an African elephant when I am in a 992 GT3. Ride quality is also very good, the standard settings is slightly softer than the standard in the 918, while the sport setting is also slightly softer than the sport setting in the 918, basically means it is great on the street. Both settings are also softer than those in the 992 GT3. (I had sofas also on my GT3 so it's a proper apples to apples comparison).
Counting everything Porsche made since the 997.2 GT3RS 4.0, the GT4RS is the BEST car Porsche made, not quite up there with CGT or the 918 but well nothing is. It is definitely a better driver's car than the 911R and the current S/T, or the newest GT3RS.
Just had a little noise of the gt4rs cars currently available, it’s appears as the very well used yellow ex press car is starting to look expensive at 159k. A few opc have cars priced within a few hundred pound with less miles and which may of lived an easier life.
The seller of the yellow car normally prices their cars very well compared to others, shocked they haven’t done the same with this car.
The seller of the yellow car normally prices their cars very well compared to others, shocked they haven’t done the same with this car.
HokumPokum said:
i actually want a no frills car with PCCB. figure 130k. so whilst i was shown a fully loaded delivery car with the expensive chronograph at 187k, what's the point? And i actually do not want lift as the cooking car was designed originally without it. I do not think it is any lower than a GT4
As i say on the SRS thread… 4RS has underbody aero fins which make its clearance lower than the GT4. You can get away without having lift IMO. Not essential but would be a nice convenience to maybe get you out of tricky situation.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff