718 GT4 UK Allocations

[Porsche911R]

MannyLon said:

Well I’m certainly not a poser, I drive the way I like, gearing is not a problem. Please don’t label people who disagree with your view. It comes across arrogant.

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

[MannyLon]

Porsche911R said:

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

Labelling people as posers is a view. How you change gear and drive the car is a view.

[av185]

Twinfan said:

v8ksn said:

In order to get any torque out of this engine, you have to rev the nuts off it and keep it on the boil over 5000 revs.

Not true of the 4.0 in the 718 GT4, it's much more flexible than the 981's 3.8.

I rev my car out when and where I can and I also cruise around if I'm not in a hurry or the traffic dictates it. The gearing is absolutely fine for me, I have zero issues with it.

V8ksn has clearly never driven a 718 GT4 lol.

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

anyone who says gearing in NOT an issue is in the "look at me" group.

Bit of a sweeping assumption, even for you.

Are people who specced and own winged GT3s in the "look at me" group rather than the Touring guys who are more discreet and understated then?

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

So why do you drive a GT3 then? What are their in-gear figures with 9000rpm per gear?

[Twinfan]

av185 said:

V8ksn has clearly never driven a 718 GT4 lol.

And neither has 911R

[v8ksn]

av185 said:

V8ksn has clearly never driven a 718 GT4 lol.

Yeah you are right, I assumed it would be highly strung with all the power at the top. I didn't know you could short-shift and ride the torque wave.

I stand corrected.

[Porsche911R]

Twinfan said:

Porsche911R said:

anyone who says gearing in NOT an issue is in the "look at me" group.

Bit of a sweeping assumption, even for you.

Are people who specced and own winged GT3s in the "look at me" group rather than the Touring guys who are more discreet and understated then?

I said my GT4 was my posers car, and I tracked that, so not sure why it upsets people.
I also said there is nothing wrong with it, people buy what they like.

I bought a winged GT3 as it's the better faster car than the touring and I'll track mine in 2021 been tweaking it over 2020 but not driven it due to covid bar a few blats out. It's a st daily and just a bit of fun, if it's a posers car I am happy with that also.

you always state you buy on looks not how a car drives other wise you would be in a Cayman R now :-), you don't like how 987.2 look ! your words, The differance here is YOU ADMIT you buy on looks.

The GTS daft as it sounds is maybe the better drivers car on the Road !! the GT4 been honed more for track even over the 981.

A few people who have driven both already are saying the GTS moves about and is a bit more fun due to tyre sizes and because of tyres it has less drag and is just as fast.

My GT4 was dull on the road, it did not move about and would do 120mph on B roads with zero gear changes, you leave it in 3rd and drive it.
SO much SO I bought another Cayman R FOR FUN !! AT THE SAME TIME.

I drive my golf clubby and on B roads I make 5th gear, in the GT4 you don't get out of 3rd and also will never even hit the power band in 3rd :-(
It makes them st to drive imho and very over rated on PH.

Now I admit I look at the 718 GT4 and think, I would love one of those, I love Cayman's and I love the GT4 looks, so buying one on looks alone is fine :-)
it's bloody cool.

[Porsche911R]

Twinfan said:

Porsche911R said:

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

So why do you drive a GT3 then? What are their in-gear figures with 9000rpm per gear?

you can drive my GT3 if you like you will see what it's all about. it's a GT4 x 40%

I posted what speeds the GT3 makes at 8.5k on here in the past, I don't take mine to 9k as it makes no extra power ! peak is 8250 in fact.

the 9k is to give you options on bends and gear changes, being a manual YOU HAVE TO THINK about what gear to be in.
The car does not choose for you like a PDK, so if you think you can do a bend without a shift the 9k band gives you that option over changing up for 1 second or slowing down.

Also the car punches like a turbo though the gears you are not waiting like the GT4 for the car to pick up !! it hits you hard and you are though the gears.

yes it's way too fast for the road, so that's the trade off, but you can hit higher speeds on shorter bits of road, so in the GT4 you tend to lift over braking on B roads, in the GT3 you are braking for bends over lifting due to the extra performance, so it's fun to drive as you are working harder. the GT4's NOT fast enough to give you his option on the UK B roads, it's very much like a 996 and 997 GT3 in that respect.

[Porsche911R]

v8ksn said:

av185 said:

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I didn't know you could short-shift and ride the torque wave.

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why would one do that ?

[Rojibo]

Porsche911R said:

you can drive my GT3 if you like you will see what it's all about. it's a GT4 x 40%

So it's 2/5th's the car a GT4 is?

[finmac]

Bedlamater said:

Mad Scientist said:

MannyLon said:

Nowt wrong with the gearbox on the GT4. Do people really drive everywhere revving to 8k rpm?

So true.

Problem is, everyone wants to be Chris Harris. Once he said it, the band wagon was on!

Both of you are spot on....

Well I have got a GT4 on order and can’t say I’m worried about the gear ratio BS at all really, torque is more important to me. What’s more of an issue is the Cup tyres. My car is for road use and I live in Scotland. It certainly ain’t going to sit in my garage till April! So, that leaves me having to buy a set of tyres straight away and get the OPC to swop them before I take delivery. Seems only Pirelli make the right size/N rating (rears being an issue)? Anyone tried them?

[v8ksn]

Porsche911R said:

v8ksn said:

av185 said:

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I didn't know you could short-shift and ride the torque wave.

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why would one do that ?

...because they don't want to rev it out.

[MannyLon]

finmac said:

Well I have got a GT4 on order and can’t say I’m worried about the gear ratio BS at all really, torque is more important to me. What’s more of an issue is the Cup tyres. My car is for road use and I live in Scotland. It certainly ain’t going to sit in my garage till April! So, that leaves me having to buy a set of tyres straight away and get the OPC to swop them before I take delivery. Seems only Pirelli make the right size/N rating (rears being an issue)? Anyone tried them?

I’m not sure semi slicks are suited for the British winter. What will you do with the Cup tyres?
I’m unsure which route to take as a new set of wheels and tyres will cost how much?

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

Twinfan said:

Porsche911R said:

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

So why do you drive a GT3 then? What are their in-gear figures with 9000rpm per gear?

you can drive my GT3 if you like you will see what it's all about. it's a GT4 x 40%

I posted what speeds the GT3 makes at 8.5k on here in the past, I don't take mine to 9k as it makes no extra power ! peak is 8250 in fact.

the 9k is to give you options on bends and gear changes, being a manual YOU HAVE TO THINK about what gear to be in.
The car does not choose for you like a PDK, so if you think you can do a bend without a shift the 9k band gives you that option over changing up for 1 second or slowing down.

Also the car punches like a turbo though the gears you are not waiting like the GT4 for the car to pick up !! it hits you hard and you are though the gears.

yes it's way too fast for the road, so that's the trade off, but you can hit higher speeds on shorter bits of road, so in the GT4 you tend to lift over braking on B roads, in the GT3 you are braking for bends over lifting due to the extra performance, so it's fun to drive as you are working harder. the GT4's NOT fast enough to give you his option on the UK B roads, it's very much like a 996 and 997 GT3 in that respect.

Noted last nights drive my 991.2 GT3 does 28mph at 3000 so 84mph at 9000 not that I'd use those top revs on the road of course. No point although the torque drop off on the gen 2 is much less than the gen 1 and it is obviously much snappier at lower speeds.

So second gear similar to the GT4 yes but you are clearly there as the revs much quicker in the GT3.

Usual story though each car suits a particular driving road and driving mood depending on its particular driving characteristics.

The GT4 is clearly more relaxed quieter and muted down to its engine and gearing but still an incredibly focused and rewarding drivers car.

The GT3 in comparison is like a coked up angry wasp on heat lol.

[Maxym]

Rojibo said:

Porsche911R said:

you can drive my GT3 if you like you will see what it's all about. it's a GT4 x 40%

So it's 2/5th's the car a GT4 is?

Beat me to it lol.

[Porsche911R]

v8ksn said:

...because they don't want to rev it out.

They cannot the roads are not long enough to do so in 3rd ;-)
This 4.0 engine looks a peach, it's ni on a 3.8 X51 in every way on paper.
And even though I have not driven a 718 GT car I have owned a car with the 3.8 GTS x51 lump. and they must drive excatly the same looking at it although as mine was in a 911 I had more torque !! better gear box, lower ratio's and a tad more BHP 425bhp.
but you have to rev the snot out of them, they both make peak power at max revs !! like the 996 and 997 GT3 did.

They want to ride the torque but the gearbox is torque limited at 310lb/ft !!!

the 991.2 GT3 engine is VERY miss under stood on how you drive it and where it makes max BHP, it's not at 9k !

Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 14th August 11:37

[finmac]

MannyLon said:

finmac said:

Well I have got a GT4 on order and can’t say I’m worried about the gear ratio BS at all really, torque is more important to me. What’s more of an issue is the Cup tyres. My car is for road use and I live in Scotland. It certainly ain’t going to sit in my garage till April! So, that leaves me having to buy a set of tyres straight away and get the OPC to swop them before I take delivery. Seems only Pirelli make the right size/N rating (rears being an issue)? Anyone tried them?

I’m not sure semi slicks are suited for the British winter. What will you do with the Cup tyres?
I’m unsure which route to take as a new set of wheels and tyres will cost how much?

I’m not wanting a second set of wheels, rather just swop to road tyres and sell the new unused Cups myself.

[finmac]

av185 said:

Porsche911R said:

Twinfan said:

Porsche911R said:

gearing is NOT a view ! it's stat.

These cars do 85/87mph in 2nd gear, the UK speed limit is 60mph on a B road, most have even had a reduction to 50mph.

these are FACTS NOT views !

So why do you drive a GT3 then? What are their in-gear figures with 9000rpm per gear?

you can drive my GT3 if you like you will see what it's all about. it's a GT4 x 40%

I posted what speeds the GT3 makes at 8.5k on here in the past, I don't take mine to 9k as it makes no extra power ! peak is 8250 in fact.

the 9k is to give you options on bends and gear changes, being a manual YOU HAVE TO THINK about what gear to be in.
The car does not choose for you like a PDK, so if you think you can do a bend without a shift the 9k band gives you that option over changing up for 1 second or slowing down.

Also the car punches like a turbo though the gears you are not waiting like the GT4 for the car to pick up !! it hits you hard and you are though the gears.

yes it's way too fast for the road, so that's the trade off, but you can hit higher speeds on shorter bits of road, so in the GT4 you tend to lift over braking on B roads, in the GT3 you are braking for bends over lifting due to the extra performance, so it's fun to drive as you are working harder. the GT4's NOT fast enough to give you his option on the UK B roads, it's very much like a 996 and 997 GT3 in that respect.

Noted last nights drive my 991.2 GT3 does 28mph at 3000 so 84mph at 9000 not that I'd use those top revs on the road of course. No point although the torque drop off on the gen 2 is much less than the gen 1 and it is obviously much snappier at lower speeds.

So second gear similar to the GT4 yes but you are clearly there as the revs much quicker in the GT3.

Usual story though each car suits a particular driving road and driving mood depending on its particular driving characteristics.

The GT4 is clearly more relaxed quieter and muted down to its engine and gearing but still an incredibly focused and rewarding drivers car.

The GT3 in comparison is like a coked up angry wasp on heat lol.

I understand all the comparisons between GT3 and GT4, BUT there’s one big issue - namely the price gap. A new GT4 nice spec With buckets etc can be bought for £85K, that’s for a brand new car that no one else has thrashed, possibly crashed, bashed or over rev’d. A second hand manual box 991:2GT3 is the thick end of 50% extra. For me at least that’s a lot of money. Plus that’s for a car that’s three years old etc.

[Porsche911R]

finmac said:

Well I have got a GT4 on order and can’t say I’m worried about the gear ratio BS at all really, torque is more important to me.

lol should have bought the 2.5Turbo GTS, not even joking....