GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
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ChrisW. said:
28 GT4RS now on the OPC approved site, two without images, one a new high spec car at list .... and almost half at less than 1100 miles.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Tbf there are more 992 gt3 up for sale https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
ChrisW. said:
28 GT4RS now on the OPC approved site, two without images, one a new high spec car at list .... and almost half at less than 1100 miles.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
So it looks like porsche Wolverhampton couldn’t find a buyer for a new car build gt4rs allocation and are the first to sell a new GT car at list for a number of years! https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
They went balls out on the spec!
MannyLon said:
ChrisW. said:
28 GT4RS now on the OPC approved site, two without images, one a new high spec car at list .... and almost half at less than 1100 miles.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Tbf there are more 992 gt3 up for sale https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 27th June 21:21
ChrisW. said:
28 GT4RS now on the OPC approved site, two without images, one a new high spec car at list .... and almost half at less than 1100 miles.
+ 7 non-OPC cars on Autotrader ....
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Christ almighty that green car is dreadful. The interior lizard green clashes with the exterior birch green. Must have been specified by Stevie Wonder. Who the hell orders that and just dumps it back at the OPC with 0 miles + 7 non-OPC cars on Autotrader ....
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 27th June 21:08
It might be at “list” but it’s going to be a hard sell at that.
GT4P said:
And so the dance continues, I wager at least 10% off list on delivery miles preregistration cars by end of year!
I would agree with the cars that list high but I don’t think they will run out of buyers for cars that list around £150k.Any news on production run finishing should firm up prices.
Snowy999 said:
Tyrone, Any views from your mate who did the MR shocks conversion?
Last weekend I had passenger ride in 4RS with Manthey 4-way adjustable coilover package, on my local B-road test route.Install and set up done by RPM Technik. Car was wearing MP4S, the ideal tyre for road conditions as they were.
TLDR; Its brilliant.
I don't yet know how a standard 4RS would fare on this same route, but this was exactly as I’d want the car to feel. Completely connected, No harshness.
Yes the car moves with the road, (that’s a Cayman thing it’s not a road crusher) but you have total confidence, even from the passenger seat, and the car maintains its composure. In contrast to my early impressions of 4RS in 2022 that I drove on road and then in ‘23 that I drove on track at Silverstone, the precision of the ride and damping control with the MR chassis kit is now a total match for the drivetrain which again, and FOR MY TASTE is just perfect for a sport cars that you take out to have a blast in and want to to have fun in.
Engine is sharp and seems to have an instantaneous response to throttle. PDK is great in auto but really wants to be shifted by the driver.
You don’t need to be banging 9k.. the car is rapid going between 5k and 8.2k.. maximising the torque response and you can make serious progress and actually enjoy the orchestra. Not too loud at all.
The 9k is the optional crescendo that you don’t have to hear all of the time.
The car is exhilarating and actually shockingly fast. It wants to go quick and to be grabbed by the scruff, so once you have a firm hand on it and give positive confident inputs… the chassis gets into its flow, the dampers start working with the road and its responds with tons of grip and tactility. There is actually alot to manage/think about, when you’ve picked up a bit of pace, so you are really engaged, it’s a bit of a workout, and it’s a lot of fun….
A drivers car.
The owner had some initial mixed feelings about the MR chassis kit, up until our drive, as he hadn’t had much time until now to test it out, but my route was an eye opening experience for both he and I. He is an N’ring specialist and this route gave him all the shakedown feedback he needed.
Obviously chassis kit is great, but it is expensive. He reckons Ohlins R&T or TTX, MCS (Dundon Kit] or SSR (KW 3-way) maybe could have done a similar or better job at say 12k, but of course Manthey is now Porsche, and have all the factory backing and resources, so you pay the huge premium for the 1st party support, warranty and FAL compatibility - That said it does just work and feels bombproof.
I was very impressed that it gave that same connected feeling of my 718MR.
It rode the bumps like that car, compliant but with more support whilst going much much faster.
A car that now matches my brain now with that setup. Still buzzing.
EVO have said that later cars have revised ride on the OEM PASM dampers, so we’ll see in due course if that is true…
Edited by TDT on Friday 28th June 02:29
thanks Tyrone, interesting write up. I suppose that you are paying the premium on shocks for OEM part, warranty, type approval and the fact that Manthey will give you a setting/settings that just work out of the box, like we've both experienced on our "cheapo" MR set ups. I wonder how your existing 3way MR KW set up would work with slightly firmer springs (80/100 vs 60/80)? Snowy
Snowy999 said:
thanks Tyrone, interesting write up. I suppose that you are paying the premium on shocks for OEM part, warranty, type approval and the fact that Manthey will give you a setting/settings that just work out of the box, like we've both experienced on our "cheapo" MR set ups. I wonder how your existing 3way MR KW set up would work with slightly firmer springs (80/100 vs 60/80)? Snowy
You say cheapo… they now cost the same as the new stuff!! Lol. Silver Rocket have a kit for 4RS from based on the 4RS Clubsport dampers which uses the 3-way. Rates for that are 100F/120R… so just a touch softer on the rear than OEM which is 140N/mm …
You see though that is a racing damper… it doesn’t have some of the nice extra features that make it usable on the road such as the dust cover, boots and seals to keep the internals protected. Doesn’t matter as on the race car they are supposed to be rebuilt for every event.
So with that and to your point… i do think that the GT4 MR 3-way damper would work just fine with uprated springs.
But Porsche/Manthey decided to update to the next level of control. Would good to know what they saw during testing in order to come to that conclusion.
Edited by TDT on Friday 28th June 07:54
MannyLon said:
No harsh ride on the MY23. Firm, not harsh or bouncy.
In fairness this is all relative and almost side by side tests are required.At one Oulton park trackdays I turned up to discover an electric screwdriver bit in one of my tyres. A friend who was familiar with the locality showed me a fairly local tyre fitters that he trusted and and from the passenger seat was amazed at how well the KW3ways enabled the car with ST discs and F1R wheels to flow with a very bumpy road. Firmness without harshness, compliant without any wallowing (a kind of imprecise sag or dive close to the limit) or wind-up anywhere in our speed range ... the car was totally fluent with the road.
And out on track it instilled great confidence ... it just drew you in as-if to say ... you can do better (we can do better !).
The problem with cars that become harsh or lack fluency at any point is that for a driver that is learning, this can easily become "their" limit.
Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 28th June 08:08
You found the words I couldn’t put together. Thanks Chris.
I think it goes beyond just a driver learning though… for a more driver, once they push on a car enough they also are going to find limits.
With both my 981 and 718 with upgraded chassis… i’ve been able showcase time and time again… that the stuff makes a difference…eg being able to stay on throttle through bumpy sections at Oulton Park and Castle Combe where other drivers without chassis upgrades have to back off/lift/ cannot carry the speed or have to take a longer-slower line. They come and ask… how can you do that?, and comment that the car just looks planted.
BTW nobody is saying you the car needs this stuff. It depends on the individual.
If you are not in those scenarios, or dont feel the limitations, carry on as you were.
I think it goes beyond just a driver learning though… for a more driver, once they push on a car enough they also are going to find limits.
With both my 981 and 718 with upgraded chassis… i’ve been able showcase time and time again… that the stuff makes a difference…eg being able to stay on throttle through bumpy sections at Oulton Park and Castle Combe where other drivers without chassis upgrades have to back off/lift/ cannot carry the speed or have to take a longer-slower line. They come and ask… how can you do that?, and comment that the car just looks planted.
BTW nobody is saying you the car needs this stuff. It depends on the individual.
If you are not in those scenarios, or dont feel the limitations, carry on as you were.
Edited by TDT on Friday 28th June 08:20
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