GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
kmpowell said:
fridaypassion said:
My pal had to buy the watch and also had to px his existing GT car in. I have a feeling you'll just be able to straight buy one over winter. They clearly have no overs value now so it's just a car that people that want them to use will buy now?
The days of buying stipulations/conditions on the 4RS are over. Any OPC still doing that, doesn’t ‘need’ to sell the car. There are plenty of OPC’s offering 4RS allocations without any stipulations/conditions, I was offered one a couple of months ago, and I know of several others at the time, and since. kmpowell said:
The days of buying stipulations/conditions on the 4RS are over. Any OPC still doing that, doesn’t ‘need’ to sell the car. There are plenty of OPC’s offering 4RS allocations without any stipulations/conditions, I was offered one a couple of months ago, and I know of several others at the time, and since.
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.Freakuk said:
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.
A few months has been a long time in the car market this year though! If GT cars are no longer attracting overs this removes probably 50% of potential customers I reckon.
fridaypassion said:
Freakuk said:
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.
A few months has been a long time in the car market this year though! If GT cars are no longer attracting overs this removes probably 50% of potential customers I reckon.
Freakuk said:
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.
Emailing isn't a serious intent buying signal though, so it's little wonder nobody played ball. Pick up the phone, be polite, treat them as you expect to be treated, ask to speak to a sales manager or senior sales exec, and outline that you are ready to put a deposit down there & then if they can give you an allocation.Back in 2021 when everybody was saying a GT4 wasn't obtainable without buying history, I spent a morning ringing around. There were plenty who were just arrogant, plenty who said no but would give me a used one (at a mark-up), but I found a dealer who would give me an allocation. I had zero buying history, and it was my first ever Porsche, but I was polite and said I have money here now if I was able to have one.
I have very little doubt that you'll eventually get an allocation.
Edited by kmpowell on Friday 21st June 08:56
Freakuk said:
kmpowell said:
The days of buying stipulations/conditions on the 4RS are over. Any OPC still doing that, doesn’t ‘need’ to sell the car. There are plenty of OPC’s offering 4RS allocations without any stipulations/conditions, I was offered one a couple of months ago, and I know of several others at the time, and since.
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.The cars in stock are costing money and the market is speaking in terms of value and the persistent number for sale. Porsche are now concentrating on manufacturing volumes of GT4RS and Spyder into 2025 ... the GT4 is finished and for 718 2025 is the end of the line (assuming that the Ev will have another name).
A track spec car at £135k ish was where my interest started (not checked since) ... what is that in 2015 terms when the first GT4 landed at £70k and was seen as the bargain of the century ?
ChrisW. said:
Freakuk said:
kmpowell said:
The days of buying stipulations/conditions on the 4RS are over. Any OPC still doing that, doesn’t ‘need’ to sell the car. There are plenty of OPC’s offering 4RS allocations without any stipulations/conditions, I was offered one a couple of months ago, and I know of several others at the time, and since.
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.The cars in stock are costing money and the market is speaking in terms of value and the persistent number for sale. Porsche are now concentrating on manufacturing volumes of GT4RS and Spyder into 2025 ... the GT4 is finished and for 718 2025 is the end of the line (assuming that the Ev will have another name).
A track spec car at £135k ish was where my interest started (not checked since) ... what is that in 2015 terms when the first GT4 landed at £70k and was seen as the bargain of the century ?
OPC car salesmen, when it comes to |GT products, have got used to being lazy. There is an element of hubris and egotism about it too. They almost definitely are not going to bother chasing up old leads.
However a 'fresh' enquiry, from a serious punter may be a very different proposition right now.
kmpowell said:
Freakuk said:
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.
Emailing isn't a serious intent buying signal though, so it's little wonder nobody played ball. Pick up the phone, be polite, treat them as you expect to be treated, ask to speak to a sales manager or senior sales exec, and outline that you are ready to put a deposit down there & then if they can give you an allocation.Back in 2021 when everybody was saying a GT4 wasn't obtainable without buying history, I spent a morning ringing around. There were plenty who were just arrogant, plenty who said no but would give me a used one (at a mark-up), but I found a dealer who would give me an allocation. I had zero buying history, and it was my first ever Porsche, but I was polite and said I have money here now if I was able to have one.
I have very little doubt that you'll eventually get an allocation.
Edited by kmpowell on Friday 21st June 08:56
Towards the end of the 718 GT4 run the Porsche retail group ie: Mayfair and Reading etc were definitely just letting anyone have a build slot eg: me.
At this current moment though this is definitely not the case with the GT4RS- I contacted lots of OPC’s including Reading and a new build slot is not being offered.
It may end up being easy to get one but it sure isn’t now.
Digga said:
ChrisW. said:
Freakuk said:
kmpowell said:
The days of buying stipulations/conditions on the 4RS are over. Any OPC still doing that, doesn’t ‘need’ to sell the car. There are plenty of OPC’s offering 4RS allocations without any stipulations/conditions, I was offered one a couple of months ago, and I know of several others at the time, and since.
Not from my experience, as previously written in this thread a few months ago I emailed every UK dealer asking for a build slot, not one would play ball and the usual antics.The cars in stock are costing money and the market is speaking in terms of value and the persistent number for sale. Porsche are now concentrating on manufacturing volumes of GT4RS and Spyder into 2025 ... the GT4 is finished and for 718 2025 is the end of the line (assuming that the Ev will have another name).
A track spec car at £135k ish was where my interest started (not checked since) ... what is that in 2015 terms when the first GT4 landed at £70k and was seen as the bargain of the century ?
OPC car salesmen, when it comes to |GT products, have got used to being lazy. There is an element of hubris and egotism about it too. They almost definitely are not going to bother chasing up old leads.
However a 'fresh' enquiry, from a serious punter may be a very different proposition right now.
ChrisW. said:
My suggestion would to keep on trying in the nicest way that you can with a strong preference for the OPC that will be the beneficiary of your servicing requirements ...
The cars in stock are costing money and the market is speaking in terms of value and the persistent number for sale. Porsche are now concentrating on manufacturing volumes of GT4RS and Spyder into 2025 ... the GT4 is finished and for 718 2025 is the end of the line (assuming that the Ev will have another name).
A track spec car at £135k ish was where my interest started (not checked since) ... what is that in 2015 terms when the first GT4 landed at £70k and was seen as the bargain of the century ?
Whilst the 2015 981 GT4 was a bargain at £65k the 981 Spyder at £60k was seriously underpriced. Remarkably the Spyder price also included standard fit P3 folding bucket seats which were a c£2k cost option on the GT4 meaning the Spyder was even cheaper relatively. I ordered a white Spyder and Guards GT4 simultaneously to almost the same spec and there was a huge 9% price difference.The cars in stock are costing money and the market is speaking in terms of value and the persistent number for sale. Porsche are now concentrating on manufacturing volumes of GT4RS and Spyder into 2025 ... the GT4 is finished and for 718 2025 is the end of the line (assuming that the Ev will have another name).
A track spec car at £135k ish was where my interest started (not checked since) ... what is that in 2015 terms when the first GT4 landed at £70k and was seen as the bargain of the century ?
£60k in 2015 is around £80k now which is close to where the 2023 Spyder cost at production end. Interestingly the 718 GT4 was relatively cheaper new at 2023 production end than it was in 2015 (981) despite the major improvements between the models including engine, chassis, interior, media etc.
kmpowell said:
Emailing isn't a serious intent buying signal though, so it's little wonder nobody played ball. Pick up the phone, be polite, treat them as you expect to be treated, ask to speak to a sales manager or senior sales exec, and outline that you are ready to put a deposit down there & then if they can give you an allocation.
Agree e mailing is absolutely pointless.Similarly a deposit is meaningless and most OPCs won't even take one for a GT Porsche mainly because they can't be arsed with all the paperwork because they have to return your deposit until you are actually given a build slot on the next run of cars then they have to repeat the process again if you are lucky obtaining a build.
Also best approaching the CP preferably DP directly and not the sales manager certainly not the sales exec simply because they will have to clear it with the DP and in some cases (e.g. Pendragon) franchise director first.
"Whilst the 2015 981 GT4 was a bargain at £65k the 981 Spyder at £60k was seriously underpriced. Remarkably the Spyder price also included standard fit P3 folding bucket seats which were a c£2k cost option on the GT4 meaning the Spyder was even cheaper relatively. I ordered a white Spyder and Guards GT4 simultaneously to almost the same spec and there was a huge 9% price difference."
I agree that CPI 2015 to 2024 is only up by around a third ... it just feels like car prices are in general running ahead of this ... and an RS was always more expensive.
As for the 981 GT4 / Spyder price ... did the Spyder have the GT3 / GT4 underpinnings ? Brakes and suspension ?
I agree that CPI 2015 to 2024 is only up by around a third ... it just feels like car prices are in general running ahead of this ... and an RS was always more expensive.
As for the 981 GT4 / Spyder price ... did the Spyder have the GT3 / GT4 underpinnings ? Brakes and suspension ?
ChrisW. said:
"Whilst the 2015 981 GT4 was a bargain at £65k the 981 Spyder at £60k was seriously underpriced. Remarkably the Spyder price also included standard fit P3 folding bucket seats which were a c£2k cost option on the GT4 meaning the Spyder was even cheaper relatively. I ordered a white Spyder and Guards GT4 simultaneously to almost the same spec and there was a huge 9% price difference."
I agree that CPI 2015 to 2024 is only up by around a third ... it just feels like car prices are in general running ahead of this ... and an RS was always more expensive.
As for the 981 GT4 / Spyder price ... did the Spyder have the GT3 / GT4 underpinnings ? Brakes and suspension ?
No, that was the main change from the 981 Spyder to the 718 which is all but a GT4 without the roof whereas the 981 Spyder unlike the 981 GT4 had a non GT3 chassis and brakes and standard fit Pirellis not Mich or Dunlop Maxx cup tyres.I agree that CPI 2015 to 2024 is only up by around a third ... it just feels like car prices are in general running ahead of this ... and an RS was always more expensive.
As for the 981 GT4 / Spyder price ... did the Spyder have the GT3 / GT4 underpinnings ? Brakes and suspension ?
Other difference was the 981 Spyder had slightly less power 380 bhp v 385 bhp of the 981 GT4.
Agree Chris on the pricing the 4RS is starting to look quite expensive at £125500 basic especially following last weeks £2.5k price increase even before factoring in the 'compulsory' £10k investment grade watch.
Interesting titbit...
Have heard anecdotally from someone that had a MY23 car, and has just taken delivery of a late MY24 car today.
Initial impression was that it does ride differently. However there are differences between the cars, chiefly going from Steel rotors on the old car to PCCB on the new car.. Same wheels though... so bit difficult to drawn a conclusion from that.
As a side note he also thinks his new WP car is louder on the inside than his former non-WP car.
Have heard anecdotally from someone that had a MY23 car, and has just taken delivery of a late MY24 car today.
Initial impression was that it does ride differently. However there are differences between the cars, chiefly going from Steel rotors on the old car to PCCB on the new car.. Same wheels though... so bit difficult to drawn a conclusion from that.
As a side note he also thinks his new WP car is louder on the inside than his former non-WP car.
'Could be just the PCCB effect ? But we know (believe ?) that the PASM can be re-profiled from what Porsche have said about the ST ...
My question would be, why did the person update their car for such an apparently small difference ? ST's would have solved the PCCB issue and ??
Or was it just curiosity and the opportunity arose ?
My question would be, why did the person update their car for such an apparently small difference ? ST's would have solved the PCCB issue and ??
Or was it just curiosity and the opportunity arose ?
ChrisW. said:
'Could be just the PCCB effect ? But we know (believe ?) that the PASM can be re-profiled from what Porsche have said about the ST ...
My question would be, why did the person update their car for such an apparently small difference ? ST's would have solved the PCCB issue and ??
Or was it just curiosity and the opportunity arose ?
Original car was a coming into stock non-wp which i guess they bought on the proviso they could order their own spec down the line.My question would be, why did the person update their car for such an apparently small difference ? ST's would have solved the PCCB issue and ??
Or was it just curiosity and the opportunity arose ?
All part of ‘the game’.
So now they have WP + PCCBs to their spec.
As for the ride difference it might be down to PCCB unsprung along… so not conclusive but does chime with Evo’s latest review.
I guess more views will surface and new cars arrive.
TDT said:
Original car was a coming into stock non-wp which i guess they bought on the proviso they could order their own spec down the line.
All part of ‘the game’.
So now they have WP + PCCBs to their spec.
As for the ride difference it might be down to PCCB unsprung along… so not conclusive but does chime with Evo’s latest review.
I guess more views will surface and new cars arrive.
FWIW, I ran a set of Alcon steel rotors on the CGT many moons ago. You could feel the difference as soon as the car was moving, the steering had a more leaden feel and the suspension lost a degree of compliance and litheness.All part of ‘the game’.
So now they have WP + PCCBs to their spec.
As for the ride difference it might be down to PCCB unsprung along… so not conclusive but does chime with Evo’s latest review.
I guess more views will surface and new cars arrive.
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