GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
TDT said:
JulierPass said:
TDT said:
av185 said:
Tend the think a non CS WP 4 RS would be a very brave purchase.
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Tbf, i said the same when i saw the spec sheet. But it will suit somebody’s taste. .
Wheel colour change is easy and if you really want a cage and harnesses that can also be done very well with Manthey parts or other aftermarket.
I know that with GT4 you only got the harness preparation on bulkhead/engine firewall and in the floor pan, if you had a clubsport car. Is that not the case for 4RS then? I guess it makes sense if they are all CS spec regardless as the BIW for 4RS is totally unique anyway with 991 C4S front end box section. But it would be change.
Personally, Harnesses = Hans + Cage for me.
Edited by TDT on Friday 14th June 17:30
Interestingly when mark webber specced his 991.1 RS he went cage delete. A mate of mine owned the car for a few years.
JulierPass said:
Hi T. Not been on here for a while, am quite busy with racing but popped in the other day for a read. Re the harnesses, you still get the mounting points for the brackets. With all the airbags etc in a road car I think a cage is a bit of an overkill for something your only doing track days in. If your dicing for position and running door to door then I’d definitely have one but I’d want it welded in as per the race car for extra structural regidity.
Interestingly when mark webber specced his 991.1 RS he went cage delete. A mate of mine owned the car for a few years.
Exactly the reasons I specced cage delete on my 3 RS as well .......Interestingly when mark webber specced his 991.1 RS he went cage delete. A mate of mine owned the car for a few years.
BillyB said:
Because if you have an accident with harnesses but no HANS, your body is held firmly in place but your head isn't, so the forces on your neck are much stronger than if you were using a 3-point seat belt. I would't want to rely on an airbag bracing my head, while restrained in a harness. It is there mainly to stop you faceplanting in to the steering wheel.
where the main airbag is ..... all belts stretch in impact , when racing I always use a Hans as full cage is the lethal aspect and no airbags JulierPass said:
MannyLon said:
JulierPass said:
I didn’t bother with CS on my WP car. Unlike the gt3/RS you don’t need the cage to tie your harnesses to as the mounts are under the carpet on the bulkhead. The cage on the 4RS just adds unnecessary weight which is at the highest point of the car. And the fire extinguisher is the passenger footwell also adds unnecessary weight. The harnesses are easily available and you can get them in other colours direct from scroth if you don’t option them when you spec the car
Unnecessary weight? I’d say roll protection.Car + kitty litter can and do roll ... I saw a Lotus Elan roll at Harewood Hillclimb and the door opened and broke off ... etc.
ChrisW. said:
JulierPass said:
MannyLon said:
JulierPass said:
I didn’t bother with CS on my WP car. Unlike the gt3/RS you don’t need the cage to tie your harnesses to as the mounts are under the carpet on the bulkhead. The cage on the 4RS just adds unnecessary weight which is at the highest point of the car. And the fire extinguisher is the passenger footwell also adds unnecessary weight. The harnesses are easily available and you can get them in other colours direct from scroth if you don’t option them when you spec the car
Unnecessary weight? I’d say roll protection.Car + kitty litter can and do roll ... I saw a Lotus Elan roll at Harewood Hillclimb and the door opened and broke off ... etc.
but I take your point. Safety is important but you need to consider what you’re doing as well. Road cars with all of their airbags and technology are a pretty safe place to be. Go an have a look at how stringent the crash regs are for todays road cars. Race cars have all of that safety tech stripped out of them hence the need for a welded in cage that not only helps if you roll the car but gives much greater side impact protection due to its construction which you don’t get in a bolted in cage that comes in a road car. ChrisW. said:
JulierPass said:
MannyLon said:
JulierPass said:
I didn’t bother with CS on my WP car. Unlike the gt3/RS you don’t need the cage to tie your harnesses to as the mounts are under the carpet on the bulkhead. The cage on the 4RS just adds unnecessary weight which is at the highest point of the car. And the fire extinguisher is the passenger footwell also adds unnecessary weight. The harnesses are easily available and you can get them in other colours direct from scroth if you don’t option them when you spec the car
Unnecessary weight? I’d say roll protection.Car + kitty litter can and do roll ... I saw a Lotus Elan roll at Harewood Hillclimb and the door opened and broke off ... etc.
Visited OPC High Wycombe yesterday. They are stashed with GT3 RS’ 992 x. 3. 3x 992 GT3 and two GT4 718’s. Frightening finance to hold that stock unless they are SOR. See you can get one for circa £280k now. Someone who paid £400k at the start had better have got the utube clicks from it, or a costly mistake…
hunter 66 said:
Yes the music seems to have stopped , at my OPC , Dakar , SC , Touring (165k ) , 4 RS WP (150k ) , GT3 PTs , 2-3 owner cars with 1 k mile generally .Catching a falling knife comes to mind ......
Falling knife could be correct.What’s interesting is some opc are still pricing GT cars far higher than other opc.
Clearly some are more in line with what’s happening with the market than others.
Familymad said:
Visited OPC High Wycombe yesterday. They are stashed with GT3 RS’ 992 x. 3. 3x 992 GT3 and two GT4 718’s. Frightening finance to hold that stock unless they are SOR. See you can get one for circa £280k now. Someone who paid £400k at the start had better have got the utube clicks from it, or a costly mistake…
Not really. Some people can afford the cars 
MannyLon said:
Not really. Some people can afford the cars
Agreed.It seems a ridiculous notion that in the world of high end sports cars
all purchases are seen as a mistake if they don’t have strong residuals-
I know of a bloke who paid way over list price for a 992 GT3RS because the
one he had on order new from an OPC was not going to be delivered in time
for a certain event he wanted to drive to in it, he lost a fortune in 3 months and couldn’t care less.
-ultimately it’s a rich man’s game……I don’t know anyone on universal credit
who’s trying to get a GT4RS build slot.
I think this will only be a very small portion of the Porsche market ... hence the increasing number of very low mileage cars that are arriving with specialist dealers, the implication being that OPC's have as many as they can handle or are now clearing almost new cars out to specialists ?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406110...
(71 miles and less than 100 miles below average !!)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406110...
(71 miles and less than 100 miles below average !!)
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 16th June 16:54
I agree ... but unfortunately for Porsche there are also rather a lot of Porsche enthusiasts who were told that they were not good enough customers to buy the new car that they wanted. Hence this return to "normal" offers some satisfaction ... even if they may no longer be in a position to wish to splurge that amount of cash on a car ...
ChrisW. said:
I agree ... but unfortunately for Porsche there are also rather a lot of Porsche enthusiasts who were told that they were not good enough customers to buy the new car that they wanted. Hence this return to "normal" offers some satisfaction ... even if they may no longer be in a position to wish to splurge that amount of cash on a car ...
Yep, nice to see much of the silly games coming to an end. But if interest rates go back lower, I wonder if the games will return?Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff