Turbo vs GTS vs T
Discussion
So I have a 991 Turbo S. After a couple of years ownership I m missing the engagement of a manual so I m wondering about the above. My biggest concern is day to day ride quality. The Turbo is excellent in this regard. I remember trying a 991 gen GTS and thinking it was way too firm for the type of roads around where I live (Norfolk).
Is the T the same?
Is the 992 gen any better in terms of ride?
Anyone got some direct comparison?
Thanks!
Is the T the same?
Is the 992 gen any better in terms of ride?
Anyone got some direct comparison?
Thanks!
Edited by bosshog on Sunday 21st June 10:08
Haven’t driven a t but generally I have found if you live somewhere with bad roads like I do then any Porsche with the lowered suspension is too harsh .The regular cars are better in this respect , but you can live with say a gts it’s not back breaking but when I was 25 I could put up with it , I wouldn’t now .
I’ve got a 992 manual GTS. The ride is unacceptably s
t, it’s as simple as that. But it’s also not stiff enough for on track - it’s like the worst of both worlds.
The gearbox is ok but I’ve just been using a friend’s GR86 and that has a far nicer shift. I wish I’d bought a PDK.
It’s a strange car; it has so many negatives that I really don’t like about it (it sounds st, the gears are far too long, the interior rattles and the steering is totally lifeless) but at the same time it’s probably the best all-round car I’ve had.
If you’re in Yorkshire you’re very welcome to come and try it out.
t, it’s as simple as that. But it’s also not stiff enough for on track - it’s like the worst of both worlds. The gearbox is ok but I’ve just been using a friend’s GR86 and that has a far nicer shift. I wish I’d bought a PDK.
It’s a strange car; it has so many negatives that I really don’t like about it (it sounds s
t, the gears are far too long, the interior rattles and the steering is totally lifeless) but at the same time it’s probably the best all-round car I’ve had. If you’re in Yorkshire you’re very welcome to come and try it out.
Surely if you want a manual then your only options are the T or GT3, unless you’re looking at used cars of course. I’m on my 8th 911 and reckon my current 992 T is one of the best I’ve had, it’s an easy car to live with and great fun when you’re in the mood.
I’ve driven the GTS and GT3, I think the GTS chassis struggles to keep up with the power, it’s incredibly quick but not very involving and a bit soulless for me. I loved the GT3 engine and gearbox, but the 992.1 I drove was way too demanding on U.K. roads, I just found it a bit stressful for my needs (almost a daily, 8k miles pa).
The T is not the best riding and the cabin is a bit noisy, but among the current crop, if you want a manual I think it’s a great option. If they still made the S with a manual I think that would probably be my next move, but for me the manual box is important, maybe if it was my daily car I would feel differently. Go drive one.
I’ve driven the GTS and GT3, I think the GTS chassis struggles to keep up with the power, it’s incredibly quick but not very involving and a bit soulless for me. I loved the GT3 engine and gearbox, but the 992.1 I drove was way too demanding on U.K. roads, I just found it a bit stressful for my needs (almost a daily, 8k miles pa).
The T is not the best riding and the cabin is a bit noisy, but among the current crop, if you want a manual I think it’s a great option. If they still made the S with a manual I think that would probably be my next move, but for me the manual box is important, maybe if it was my daily car I would feel differently. Go drive one.
bosshog said:
………but I m starting to suspect the car I really want does not exist!!!
Porsche don’t make it easy, by restricting options that could so easily be added to certain models.My perfect everyday, UK usable 992.2 would be:
Coupe
Base Model
Standard Wheels (19/20”) and Standard Suspension (optimal ride comfort and ground clearance)
Manual Gearbox (not an option)
PCCBs (not an option)
Sports + Seats
That should be the lightest and most compliant mainstream spec.
Was possible on a 992.1 ‘S’, but nearest on a .2 would be the ‘T’ (but without the PCCBs and with the sports suspension)
It’s certainly strange given that they fit a manual ‘box in the T.
You’re probably going to have to try the S-PASM to see whether you can tolerate it. I live with it but it is bad. To be honest, if I had to do a commute in it then it wouldn’t be the ride that’s the issue, it’s the gearbox.
FWIW, my wife detests the car and will only travel an hour and a half max in it. It would be interesting to see whether she can tolerate a base model.
You’re probably going to have to try the S-PASM to see whether you can tolerate it. I live with it but it is bad. To be honest, if I had to do a commute in it then it wouldn’t be the ride that’s the issue, it’s the gearbox.
FWIW, my wife detests the car and will only travel an hour and a half max in it. It would be interesting to see whether she can tolerate a base model.
I don t find the T (992.2) ride unacceptable. I think it s well judged and certainly how i would expect a sports car to ride.
Can t really expect Porsche to engineer their cars around the UK s lazy and disparate local councils approach to road maintenance!
Can t really expect Porsche to engineer their cars around the UK s lazy and disparate local councils approach to road maintenance!
Edited by DoubleSix on Tuesday 30th June 10:43
Just wanted to say, as a 991.1 Turbo S owner I too am pleasently surprised how good the ride is (I bought the car without test driving, or erm, seeing it in person! 
) With the roads as they are - I wouldn't want to go any firmer. My previous car - a Giulia QV is famed for having a supple ride but the 991 is better imho - it's slightly firmer but also much better damped so feels more controlled at all times, whether PDCC is engaged or not.
I've wondered whether all 911s ride similarly well, but it seems not! And I have also thought whether a RWD car (and maybe manual) would be fun to try in the future so the suspension comparison is really interesting.
) With the roads as they are - I wouldn't want to go any firmer. My previous car - a Giulia QV is famed for having a supple ride but the 991 is better imho - it's slightly firmer but also much better damped so feels more controlled at all times, whether PDCC is engaged or not. I've wondered whether all 911s ride similarly well, but it seems not! And I have also thought whether a RWD car (and maybe manual) would be fun to try in the future so the suspension comparison is really interesting.
Koln-RS said:
Porsche don t make it easy, by restricting options that could so easily be added to certain models.
My perfect everyday, UK usable 992.2 would be:
Coupe
Base Model
Standard Wheels (19/20 ) and Standard Suspension (optimal ride comfort and ground clearance)
Manual Gearbox (not an option)
PCCBs (not an option)
Sports + Seats
Mine would be very similar, not worried about PCCB......My perfect everyday, UK usable 992.2 would be:
Coupe
Base Model
Standard Wheels (19/20 ) and Standard Suspension (optimal ride comfort and ground clearance)
Manual Gearbox (not an option)
PCCBs (not an option)
Sports + Seats
Coupe
Base Model
Standard Wheels (19/20 ) and Standard Suspension (optimal ride comfort and ground clearance)
Manual Gearbox (not an option)
Bose
Sports Seats
I would even have the T, but don't want yet another black interior. I would live with it as I do like the T interior, but if ordering a new car I would really like to be able to chose the interior I really want.
Just offer both gearboxes in all the Carreras and they wouldn't alienate a huge chunk of customers.
I think the novelty of PDK/DCT gearboxes has long passed now, as the cars get bigger, more refined, having a bit more interaction that the manual 'boxes offer shouldn't be ignored.
Ferrari have even announced a manual for the 12 Cilindri, which tells you they are listening to their customers.
Not being able to get a 911 Carrera with a manual gearbox and with an interior you can option to taste is just ridiculous.
I think the novelty of PDK/DCT gearboxes has long passed now, as the cars get bigger, more refined, having a bit more interaction that the manual 'boxes offer shouldn't be ignored.
Ferrari have even announced a manual for the 12 Cilindri, which tells you they are listening to their customers.
Not being able to get a 911 Carrera with a manual gearbox and with an interior you can option to taste is just ridiculous.
Ed.Neumann said:
Ferrari have even announced a manual for the 12 Cilindri, which tells you they are listening to their customers.
Although that’s not really a manual box, as there is no linkage between the gear lever and the gearbox… it’s basically a “manual” gear lever that replaces the steering wheel paddles and links to the normal DCT box.Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff