2014 GT3 13k miles E1 engine
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How risky is this early 991.1 GT3 engine compared to the later “F” engines? Does it have a higher finger follower failure rate?
The car will be under CPO for 2 years, and I’m hoping I won’t need an engine replacement during that period.
Also, at what mileage do finger followers typically start to show damage/failure?
Engine: #E11756 (MA175)
What else cpo cover
The car will be under CPO for 2 years, and I’m hoping I won’t need an engine replacement during that period.
Also, at what mileage do finger followers typically start to show damage/failure?
Engine: #E11756 (MA175)
What else cpo cover
The E0 engines had a faulty connecting rod fastener design which is initially why they were all recalled. They were replaced with the E1 which suffer the same cam and finger follower wear issues that some of the subsequent ones do.
I think they were all given a 10 year warranty which have all expired now. I don't know how OPC warranty deals with with engine issues past that 10 year but someone on here who runs a 991.1 GT3 will know more. I assume they would only replace the failed parts rather than replacing the whole unit.
Personally, I wouldn't touch an E-Series engine because there is a high probability of it failing.
If you are adamant on a 991.1 GT3, look for one with a G6 engine. That was the last iteration of that engine series.
If you can stretch to a 991.2 GT3. That would be ideal. You get the 4L cup car derived engine as well as all the other series updates.
Just found this - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... It discusses this topic.
Good luck!
I think they were all given a 10 year warranty which have all expired now. I don't know how OPC warranty deals with with engine issues past that 10 year but someone on here who runs a 991.1 GT3 will know more. I assume they would only replace the failed parts rather than replacing the whole unit.
Personally, I wouldn't touch an E-Series engine because there is a high probability of it failing.
If you are adamant on a 991.1 GT3, look for one with a G6 engine. That was the last iteration of that engine series.
If you can stretch to a 991.2 GT3. That would be ideal. You get the 4L cup car derived engine as well as all the other series updates.
Just found this - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... It discusses this topic.
Good luck!
I think the Porsche Extended Warranty would cover the replacement engine, or a rebuild etc however are you not concerned about the resale value in 2 years?
I would have though the closer it gets to 15 years old, and with the early reg cars, 14 years old, that the value would plummet and more so with an E engine?
I think the rebuild costs are huge for these, I've seen figures like £35K and £40K bandied around although I don't know that for a fact.
I would have though the closer it gets to 15 years old, and with the early reg cars, 14 years old, that the value would plummet and more so with an E engine?
I think the rebuild costs are huge for these, I've seen figures like £35K and £40K bandied around although I don't know that for a fact.
Rebuilding any Porsche engine is expensive…never mind a GT3.
I don’t think 991.1 GT3’s are particularly cheap at £80 to £90k. Probably a fair price but not cheap.
991.2 is say a £120k car ? I think there’s roughly a £20k pricing differential between GT3 generations…so fair value is £100k for a 991.1 GT3. Once the factory engine warranty expires there’s the extended warranty you can take out…which is £1k a year plus the premium on servicing as you need to use an OPC.
Once the extended warranty no longer becomes an option I agree these cars will re-price lower fairly quickly. I think they’ll be cheaper than 997 GT3’s ultimately.
I don’t think 991.1 GT3’s are particularly cheap at £80 to £90k. Probably a fair price but not cheap.
991.2 is say a £120k car ? I think there’s roughly a £20k pricing differential between GT3 generations…so fair value is £100k for a 991.1 GT3. Once the factory engine warranty expires there’s the extended warranty you can take out…which is £1k a year plus the premium on servicing as you need to use an OPC.
Once the extended warranty no longer becomes an option I agree these cars will re-price lower fairly quickly. I think they’ll be cheaper than 997 GT3’s ultimately.
RPM Technik say they are rebuilding these engines but whether that is a repair or a more permanent fix is open to question ...
I agree the cost of this does compromise the future value of these cars ... people have talked about fitting replacement engines from written-off cars but will there ever be enough good engines for this to work ?
Too many questions, and that is the problem. How do you price this in ??
I agree the cost of this does compromise the future value of these cars ... people have talked about fitting replacement engines from written-off cars but will there ever be enough good engines for this to work ?
Too many questions, and that is the problem. How do you price this in ??
Its impossible to know what price reflections will happen for the 991.1 GT3, apart from the fact it probably wont be perceived as a positive.
The biggest problem is the lower it gets them more of them will be bought and abused, leaving someone who wants a GT3 looking at the previous or the next gen versions, but even now, the price differential for 997.2 GT3 -> 991.2 GT3 is marginal at best, suspect they will cross over at some point, then you'll get to the stage where 997 will be bought to not drive as too much value..
But it matters not, plenty of versions of the GT3 available to choose from , all fking great cars.
The biggest problem is the lower it gets them more of them will be bought and abused, leaving someone who wants a GT3 looking at the previous or the next gen versions, but even now, the price differential for 997.2 GT3 -> 991.2 GT3 is marginal at best, suspect they will cross over at some point, then you'll get to the stage where 997 will be bought to not drive as too much value..
But it matters not, plenty of versions of the GT3 available to choose from , all fking great cars.
My new-to-me 2014 GT3 is arriving with 4 years of CPO and only 10k miles. It has an E1 engine, and I keep hearing the early engines are the most vulnerable when it comes to finger follower wear. Hopefully, if needed, I can move to a G6 engine down the road under CPO.
What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
Edited by smggsm on Thursday 29th January 03:49
smggsm said:
My new-to-me 2014 GT3 is arriving with 4 years of CPO and only 10k miles. It has an E1 engine, and I keep hearing the early engines are the most vulnerable when it comes to finger follower wear. Hopefully, if needed, I can move to a G6 engine down the road under CPO.
What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
If you're using it properly, on track etc, its a matter of when not if imo. First hand experience. As far as I understand its due to oil starvation on Cylinder 6 cam lobes. But Im no engineer as you can tell. What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
Edited by smggsm on Thursday 29th January 03:49
Mine went into limp mode above 6k revs. And was smoking ever so slightly regardless of hot or cold, mainly on the downshift. You cant see it from inside the car but friends would frequently comment.
Oh, mine was a very early RS.......
smggsm said:
My new-to-me 2014 GT3 is arriving with 4 years of CPO and only 10k miles. It has an E1 engine, and I keep hearing the early engines are the most vulnerable when it comes to finger follower wear. Hopefully, if needed, I can move to a G6 engine down the road under CPO.
What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
If you're not tracking and using the 9000rpm, I would question the point of owning. Just buy a GTS.What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
Edited by smggsm on Thursday 29th January 03:49
accountanother said:
smggsm said:
My new-to-me 2014 GT3 is arriving with 4 years of CPO and only 10k miles. It has an E1 engine, and I keep hearing the early engines are the most vulnerable when it comes to finger follower wear. Hopefully, if needed, I can move to a G6 engine down the road under CPO.
What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
If you're using it properly, on track etc, its a matter of when not if imo. First hand experience. As far as I understand its due to oil starvation on Cylinder 6 cam lobes. But Im no engineer as you can tell. What are the warning signs that an engine may need replacement?
For example, is a flashing CEL with a misfire under load/high RPM one of the key indicators?
Also, what do the experts generally recommend for prevention/best practices?
No revving on cold start (wait until oil temp is up)
Avoid living at 9,000 RPM on track this is the hard one, because the last ~500 RPM is the best sound
Oil choice: Is it worth switching to Liqui Moly or Motul, or is Mobil 1 still a solid option as long as it s Porsche-approved?
Edited by smggsm on Thursday 29th January 03:49
Mine went into limp mode above 6k revs. And was smoking ever so slightly regardless of hot or cold, mainly on the downshift. You cant see it from inside the car but friends would frequently comment.
Oh, mine was a very early RS.......
As for oil, I believe that Porsche now insist that only Mobil One C40 GT oil is used ...
Looking on ebay engines form scrapped cars can be had for around £25k ... but which version ??
Benzooki said:
If i had the £80,000-£85,000 right now I think it's the car id be looking at.
Where as it would be the last car I’d be looking at. A much safer bet (to me) is the GT4, granted, it’s missing the 9k redline, but it’s also missing the fact that it can at anytime it can bork itself, and become an £90k paper weight. You’d have to be a brave/rich/bonkers person to lash £90k of your own money into one. I’d be saving the extra for the .2 car.I think it's a real dilemma as there is so little information about the reality to any risk. Personally I prefer the look of the 991.1 GT3 and think the engine of the the 3.8 sounds epic over 8,000, for me more so than the 4.0 L.
I had a 991.1 GT3 for 7 years, I didn't do a load of miles and only one track day, only really because the value proposition, after doing many track days in earlier years when (I had a 964 RS for 10 years when they were cheap), was less compellingly (and more expensive) in my late 50's than a good country road drive and a nice weekend away.
I moved from a 991.1 GTS and they are not really comparable on the road imo, one is a motorsport based car with all of the steering feel chassis and braking prowess and the other is a slightly more focused sports car.
I loved the chassis, steering (well it is still electric and there IMO is no getting away from this, but good when you get used to it for sure), braking with CCB's was outstanding, the performance and engine 10/10 for me. But for me I never really got on with PDK, I always missed a manual and again for me the physical footprint was a tad larger than perfect. It shrinks, it's very easy to navigate and place on the road but it is bigger than the 997.
So I did bother to look at what I might do over the next few years, maybe Get a 997.2 GT3, but everyone kept telling me my 997 manual C2 (which has GT3 suspension, well KWV3, all new adjustable arms, sheperical bushes etc, etc) was the same chassis. I drove two 997.2 and the handling was similar but my C2 reminded me that any car 15+ yers old even if its only done 30k miles will have tired suspension, so Ive held off.
Anyway back to the 991.1 GT3, for me it never missed a beat, on most times I took it out I hit 9,000 rpm. I always warmed it up and never abused it mechanically but I did enjoy the car. It was the internet that made me consider and sell. My car was an E engine, if I read the internet I should expect implode just ticking over. Anyone would be deranged to do anything other than laugh heartily to anyone who buys it. I went to the trouble of putting it back on extended warranty (I hadn't bothered for 5 years, it was fine !) then sold it as it now had a warranty extendable for the next few years and it was 'saleable' . My car was a great spec CCB, buckets etc etc. Only a 2 owner car and it was dearly loved.
So why did I sell and it did get over £90k in Q4 2025, if it hadn't I'd still have it. I sold it because it was PDK and I was concerned that it would be a lot of money to keep, warranty, insurance road tax and then what would happen when the 15 years were up ? the option for changing would have gone.
I hope and expect a solution will be found to upgrade the followers by specialists it will be the costs that need to be considered, I doubt Porsche will extend further and I do suspect the Internet will lead to people believing these cars are problems waiting to happen.
I would love to know just how many engines have problems, I did speak to RPM last year about reliability and they had two 991 RS's in with engine failures and had not actually seen many 991.1's with the same. Possibly, probably because they were heavily used on the track. I would definitely have the 991.1 still if it was manual and do suspect it would continue to hit 9,000 rpm regularly unflustered by what the internet thinks. But who knows
The idea that any engine is bullet proof is a fallacy, I and most simply don't know exactly how problematic the 991.1 engine is even with a E number
I had a 991.1 GT3 for 7 years, I didn't do a load of miles and only one track day, only really because the value proposition, after doing many track days in earlier years when (I had a 964 RS for 10 years when they were cheap), was less compellingly (and more expensive) in my late 50's than a good country road drive and a nice weekend away.
I moved from a 991.1 GTS and they are not really comparable on the road imo, one is a motorsport based car with all of the steering feel chassis and braking prowess and the other is a slightly more focused sports car.
I loved the chassis, steering (well it is still electric and there IMO is no getting away from this, but good when you get used to it for sure), braking with CCB's was outstanding, the performance and engine 10/10 for me. But for me I never really got on with PDK, I always missed a manual and again for me the physical footprint was a tad larger than perfect. It shrinks, it's very easy to navigate and place on the road but it is bigger than the 997.
So I did bother to look at what I might do over the next few years, maybe Get a 997.2 GT3, but everyone kept telling me my 997 manual C2 (which has GT3 suspension, well KWV3, all new adjustable arms, sheperical bushes etc, etc) was the same chassis. I drove two 997.2 and the handling was similar but my C2 reminded me that any car 15+ yers old even if its only done 30k miles will have tired suspension, so Ive held off.
Anyway back to the 991.1 GT3, for me it never missed a beat, on most times I took it out I hit 9,000 rpm. I always warmed it up and never abused it mechanically but I did enjoy the car. It was the internet that made me consider and sell. My car was an E engine, if I read the internet I should expect implode just ticking over. Anyone would be deranged to do anything other than laugh heartily to anyone who buys it. I went to the trouble of putting it back on extended warranty (I hadn't bothered for 5 years, it was fine !) then sold it as it now had a warranty extendable for the next few years and it was 'saleable' . My car was a great spec CCB, buckets etc etc. Only a 2 owner car and it was dearly loved.
So why did I sell and it did get over £90k in Q4 2025, if it hadn't I'd still have it. I sold it because it was PDK and I was concerned that it would be a lot of money to keep, warranty, insurance road tax and then what would happen when the 15 years were up ? the option for changing would have gone.
I hope and expect a solution will be found to upgrade the followers by specialists it will be the costs that need to be considered, I doubt Porsche will extend further and I do suspect the Internet will lead to people believing these cars are problems waiting to happen.
I would love to know just how many engines have problems, I did speak to RPM last year about reliability and they had two 991 RS's in with engine failures and had not actually seen many 991.1's with the same. Possibly, probably because they were heavily used on the track. I would definitely have the 991.1 still if it was manual and do suspect it would continue to hit 9,000 rpm regularly unflustered by what the internet thinks. But who knows
The idea that any engine is bullet proof is a fallacy, I and most simply don't know exactly how problematic the 991.1 engine is even with a E number
Edited by Adrian-9iafn on Friday 30th January 08:46
Evolved said:
Where as it would be the last car I d be looking at. A much safer bet (to me) is the GT4, granted, it s missing the 9k redline, but it s also missing the fact that it can at anytime it can bork itself, and become an £90k paper weight. You d have to be a brave/rich/bonkers person to lash £90k of your own money into one. I d be saving the extra for the .2 car.
I currently have the GT4 and love it but there's something about the 911. My GT4 has carbon buckets so I cant take my kids in it. Looking back i wish id gone with comfort seats. Its a heart over head thing.
It’s a bit of a shame for a car that blew away the reviewers when it landed. I suppose it shows the difficulty of making a race bred engine reliable for high mileages, without a rebuild timetable. Having said that it’s very encouraging that one of the top independents is offering a rebuild solution. Can anyone put a figure on the cost? This would give any purchaser a good idea of the financial risk and the vehicle can then be priced accordingly.
I think it was pointed out that any Porsche engine could throw a big bill. This seems to have always been the case to some extent. A friends newly rebuilt 73 2.7 dropped an oil squirter into the sump and it took almost a year and 3 of the countries top specialists to have the engine rebuilt and reinstalled.
Porsche have really put together an awesome package with the 991/992 GT3s. Perhaps until the 992.2 the value for money as a new purchase has been incredible, but they are still supercars effectively and supercars can decide to throw supersized bills.
I think it was pointed out that any Porsche engine could throw a big bill. This seems to have always been the case to some extent. A friends newly rebuilt 73 2.7 dropped an oil squirter into the sump and it took almost a year and 3 of the countries top specialists to have the engine rebuilt and reinstalled.
Porsche have really put together an awesome package with the 991/992 GT3s. Perhaps until the 992.2 the value for money as a new purchase has been incredible, but they are still supercars effectively and supercars can decide to throw supersized bills.
Benzooki said:
Evolved said:
Where as it would be the last car I d be looking at. A much safer bet (to me) is the GT4, granted, it s missing the 9k redline, but it s also missing the fact that it can at anytime it can bork itself, and become an £90k paper weight. You d have to be a brave/rich/bonkers person to lash £90k of your own money into one. I d be saving the extra for the .2 car.
I currently have the GT4 and love it but there's something about the 911. My GT4 has carbon buckets so I cant take my kids in it. Looking back i wish id gone with comfort seats. Its a heart over head thing.
Surely you’d have the same issue in the GT3 with the kids?
Evolved said:
Benzooki said:
Evolved said:
Where as it would be the last car I d be looking at. A much safer bet (to me) is the GT4, granted, it s missing the 9k redline, but it s also missing the fact that it can at anytime it can bork itself, and become an £90k paper weight. You d have to be a brave/rich/bonkers person to lash £90k of your own money into one. I d be saving the extra for the .2 car.
I currently have the GT4 and love it but there's something about the 911. My GT4 has carbon buckets so I cant take my kids in it. Looking back i wish id gone with comfort seats. Its a heart over head thing.
Surely you d have the same issue in the GT3 with the kids?
Benzooki said:
Evolved said:
Benzooki said:
Evolved said:
Where as it would be the last car I d be looking at. A much safer bet (to me) is the GT4, granted, it s missing the 9k redline, but it s also missing the fact that it can at anytime it can bork itself, and become an £90k paper weight. You d have to be a brave/rich/bonkers person to lash £90k of your own money into one. I d be saving the extra for the .2 car.
I currently have the GT4 and love it but there's something about the 911. My GT4 has carbon buckets so I cant take my kids in it. Looking back i wish id gone with comfort seats. Its a heart over head thing.
Surely you d have the same issue in the GT3 with the kids?
Any pics of your GT4?
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