991.2 GTS or Turbo?
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I suspect this has been covered to death. But here's my dilemma. I started the search for a 997 GTS and was keen on a 4 because I like the looks of the extra rear lights bar. But, I've been put off by some of the video reviews concluding the 997 GTS PDK is not very engaging to drive. I gave up looking for a 997 GTS Manual, so I started looking at 991 which is a lot bigger on the outside and I hope a little bigger on the inside at the back also as I'd like to fit my 6 and 11 year old kids for more longer journeys ideally, I have a vision of a 911 with the aero storage roof. and spending holidays through Europe. I've not seen one in real life so mainly because I don't have time to go look.
Now, 991. I dislike the fact that it is bigger than the 997, but the interior looks a lot better especially in the 991.2. 991.2 has those turbo problems. If I go this way, I will buy a 991.2 with OPC warranty which I hope will sort any technical problems.
So I'm wondering how engaging would the 991.2 be ? 99% it will be PDK. But I'm also wondering if I should look at Turbo / S also. I do like the alcantara interior in the GTS better.
It would be a 5th car for me if we count the 1960s race cars and other classic cars. More for occasions and driving trips. I hope to keep it for a long time and put some miles on the 911, whatever shape that will be.
Budget £85k
Now, 991. I dislike the fact that it is bigger than the 997, but the interior looks a lot better especially in the 991.2. 991.2 has those turbo problems. If I go this way, I will buy a 991.2 with OPC warranty which I hope will sort any technical problems.
So I'm wondering how engaging would the 991.2 be ? 99% it will be PDK. But I'm also wondering if I should look at Turbo / S also. I do like the alcantara interior in the GTS better.
It would be a 5th car for me if we count the 1960s race cars and other classic cars. More for occasions and driving trips. I hope to keep it for a long time and put some miles on the 911, whatever shape that will be.
Budget £85k
Both cars can be very engaging if you find the environment to push them.
Turbo is the do it all super car and depreciation is slow.
My kids are a similar age to yours. Buy now as it’s a slim window before they won’t fit. My 10 year old is in that strange position where the law tells me that he needs a booster, but even the slimmest pushes his head onto the glass, so pragmatically I just sit him down on the seat, as this is safer. In reality they are child size seats anyway.
Turbo is the do it all super car and depreciation is slow.
My kids are a similar age to yours. Buy now as it’s a slim window before they won’t fit. My 10 year old is in that strange position where the law tells me that he needs a booster, but even the slimmest pushes his head onto the glass, so pragmatically I just sit him down on the seat, as this is safer. In reality they are child size seats anyway.
I've got a 991.2 GTS PDK. Happy to answer any questions.
I chose it as I wanted the GTS style interior and 450bhp was enough. :-)
I've had the smoke issues, but dealt with satisfactorily via warranty.
It's the best car I've ever owned. Mega power with absolute precision and a decent ride.
I chose it as I wanted the GTS style interior and 450bhp was enough. :-)
I've had the smoke issues, but dealt with satisfactorily via warranty.
It's the best car I've ever owned. Mega power with absolute precision and a decent ride.
I looked at every 911 a couple of years ago and ended up with the GTS as it does everything to a 9/10 without any compromise. Didn't care about the Turbo as I wanted rear wheel drive and don't like the look of them. A GT3 wasn't right as it is too much of a faff finding the right spec (for someone else as there seems to be such paranoia around that subject) and didn't have rear seats.
The GTS does everything superbly, the interior with the full GTS option is incredible and the right spec is easy to find as most options were ticked for the car to be used as normal transport. Mine has nose lift but you really don't need it and I wouldn't get a sunroof as they're more trouble than they're worth in my experience.
It also goes like stink and gets 42mpg on a long motorway slog or 28 around town. it also seems to be a bit invisible at least as a 911 can.
You'll have a creaky driver seat thanks to the tilting mechanism to allow rear access, something in the rear near side rattles by the back seats and the leather sunvisors also creek (think 80s Golf ear-rings) when it gets hot but it's really really good. Mine is also PDK like Ted's and engagement is just fine.
The GTS does everything superbly, the interior with the full GTS option is incredible and the right spec is easy to find as most options were ticked for the car to be used as normal transport. Mine has nose lift but you really don't need it and I wouldn't get a sunroof as they're more trouble than they're worth in my experience.
It also goes like stink and gets 42mpg on a long motorway slog or 28 around town. it also seems to be a bit invisible at least as a 911 can.
You'll have a creaky driver seat thanks to the tilting mechanism to allow rear access, something in the rear near side rattles by the back seats and the leather sunvisors also creek (think 80s Golf ear-rings) when it gets hot but it's really really good. Mine is also PDK like Ted's and engagement is just fine.
Edited by moneypits on Sunday 10th August 16:54
. I'll wait till it's not late 20s outside to try it.MrCippo said:
I suspect this has been covered to death. But here's my dilemma. I started the search for a 997 GTS and was keen on a 4 because I like the looks of the extra rear lights bar. But, I've been put off by some of the video reviews concluding the 997 GTS PDK is not very engaging to drive. I gave up looking for a 997 GTS Manual, so I started looking at 991 which is a lot bigger on the outside and I hope a little bigger on the inside at the back also as I'd like to fit my 6 and 11 year old kids for more longer journeys ideally, I have a vision of a 911 with the aero storage roof. and spending holidays through Europe. I've not seen one in real life so mainly because I don't have time to go look.
Now, 991. I dislike the fact that it is bigger than the 997, but the interior looks a lot better especially in the 991.2. 991.2 has those turbo problems. If I go this way, I will buy a 991.2 with OPC warranty which I hope will sort any technical problems.
So I'm wondering how engaging would the 991.2 be ? 99% it will be PDK. But I'm also wondering if I should look at Turbo / S also. I do like the alcantara interior in the GTS better.
It would be a 5th car for me if we count the 1960s race cars and other classic cars. More for occasions and driving trips. I hope to keep it for a long time and put some miles on the 911, whatever shape that will be.
Budget £85k
You don’t need to spend 85K to get a decent 991.2 GTS. I think the turbo depreciates worse than the GTS. Make sure you get one with rear wheel steering which for me would be a ‘must have’. My only major criticism having done 7 years in mine is that the suspension is a bit one dimensional in the standard SportPASM 20mm lowered spec.Its great on smooth tarmac but over rough ground it can have the effect of being in a supermarket trolley, as if one wheel is trundling over the ground. There is not much damping. Other than that an awesome car. I remember a few regular PH posters getting rid of their cars within the first few years as they couldn’t stand the rattling issues described above. Personally I just see it as an extension of the firm suspension, along with the tyre roar etc as part of the slightly more raw sports car experience.Now, 991. I dislike the fact that it is bigger than the 997, but the interior looks a lot better especially in the 991.2. 991.2 has those turbo problems. If I go this way, I will buy a 991.2 with OPC warranty which I hope will sort any technical problems.
So I'm wondering how engaging would the 991.2 be ? 99% it will be PDK. But I'm also wondering if I should look at Turbo / S also. I do like the alcantara interior in the GTS better.
It would be a 5th car for me if we count the 1960s race cars and other classic cars. More for occasions and driving trips. I hope to keep it for a long time and put some miles on the 911, whatever shape that will be.
Budget £85k
Would you buy private if the car was under warranty or only from an OPC?
MrCippo said:
I gave up looking for a 997 GTS Manual, so I started looking at 991 which is a lot bigger on the outside and I hope a little bigger on the inside at the back also as I'd like to fit my 6 and 11 year old kids for more longer journeys ideally, I have a vision of a 911 with the aero storage roof. and spending holidays through Europe. I've not seen one in real life so mainly because I don't have time to go look.
Before you go to deep, find a car and take the kids, if they don’t fit you might not pass Go…Kermitgreenmeanmachine said:
MrCippo said:
Budget £85k
Would you buy private if the car was under warranty or only from an OPC?
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...That is a perfect spec. Haggle it down a little and then swap me those wheels for my black ones!
£85k probably won’t get you into a 991.2 Turbo S unless it’s got high miles and isn’t in the best condition. I was on looking for one at the end of last year with a £110k budget, but couldn’t find the mileage and spec I wanted for that price. Ended up going for a well-specced 991.2 GTS instead and saved about £20–25k in the process. Sure, it doesn’t have the straight-line speed of a Turbo S, but it’s a bit more raw and actually feels closer to my old GT3 in character (which i was after).
My GTS at Bicester last weekend:
My GTS at Bicester last weekend:
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